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#161 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [ncee]
Nov 26, 2009 (6:37 am)
Hmmm., I thought the Avalon was presently on a stretched Camry platform? I AM one of those senior citizens described in the link, albeit not at the colostomy bag stage as yet. However, even us old farts like some excitment in a vehicle. The Touring edition was a better handling Avalon, and in their infinite wisdom, it was discontinued. A RWD performance-orientated machine might be the answer for Toyota. Went to a BMW 335d, significantly better mileage than the Avalon, and definitely superior handling. Tired of waiting for the corporate announcement to decree the Avalon a white elephant.
#162 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [jemanner]
Nov 26, 2009 (7:43 am)
I, too, am a senior citizen, and I will have to defend my Avalon a little bit. I like the Toyota ride, which has been described by some as mushy, but the handling hasn't gotten me in trouble yet. It suits me much better than the firm "German" ride that picks up every bump in the road.
With my honest 30 MPG on the road at 75 MPH, I don't think the BMW mileage is "significantly better", and the 335d price seems to be at least $10K higher.
There are a couple of engineering issues, but if you get the proper VVTi oil line, and learn how to drive the electronic tranny, it's a very nice car for the price.
#163 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [popsavalon]
Nov 26, 2009 (8:17 am)
I loved my 06 Avalon. The ride was fantastic, the 3.5 V6 is simply amazing too. The car is not a handler, even in the "Touring" form that was available early on. If it wasn't for the Genesis coming out there is no doubt I would have leased another Avalon. I still miss the plush ride, but the Genesis handles much better than the Avalon, a trade off I guess.
#164 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [popsavalon]
Nov 27, 2009 (9:57 am)
I purchased a new 2010 Avalon XLS two weeks ago. I was tired of wondering what the future plans truly are (whether the entire lineup will be discontinued or not). Besides, I live in New England. The dark charcoal interior is almost impossible to find around here--very RARE! I insisted on buying a new car with a dark interior and light exterior (I went with silver). I really like this color combination and the dealership had it in stock on the lot.
I liked the car enough to purchase it, but I have to say that I am disappointed! I cannot get used to the transmission. I find that the acceleration is also not as good as my former car, a 2004 Corolla. I understand the Avalon is a bigger, heavier car. What I don't understand is why the car hesitates and almost pulls back, when I remove my foot from the accelerator.
Also, I have noticed the car makes strange noises while turned on. There is a slight friction noise while turning the steering wheel. I took it back to the dealer 3 days after I drove it home. They said that the steering column was a bit dry and that it needed some lubrication, so they greased it. This does not sound right for a new, $35,000 car. The same exact sound still appears, so it obviously didn't need grease! Other noises also continue to appear in the cabin of the car--not rattles, more of a buzzing sound. These sounds are faint, but definitely can be heard without the radio or any heating/AC turned on. Overall, I am a bit disappointed and plan to take it back to the dealership to be looked at tomorrow. Is anyone else experiencing such issues with their new Avalon?
#165 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [ntassistant]
Nov 27, 2009 (11:32 am)
I think you will find the Avalon plenty quick once you get used to it (04 Corolla in the 8 second range 0 to 60 the Avalon is in the 6 second range). The engine likes to be revved up a bit (after 3500 RPM is where all the power is). As for the transmission, it takes a while to get used to it. It is tuned for maximum fuel economy. The reason why you feel like the car "pulls back" when letting off of the accelertor is the trans upshifting (again to max FE).
As for the noises on startup. One is usually the ABS pump doing a "self-test" completely normal. The other "buzzes" and so forth are the various actuators/blend doors etc for the HVAC. They seem to do things even when the system is off. My '06 did the same things. The car is so quiet you hear everything.
As for the steering wheel, not sure what that could be. My '06 had the steering column replaced for a mild clunk that was a pretty much known issue. Your problem sounds different. It could just be an ill fitting trim piece around the wheel rubbing.
#166 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [ntassistant]
Nov 27, 2009 (1:02 pm)
Thats interesting as far as your car "hesitating",
I got a 2007 XLS so it has the 5 speed tranny and not the new 6 speed.
I've only noticed a little hesitation when the car is stone cold (well not hesitation but it wont rev past 3500 until warm, which is a good thing of course....).
My 2007 XLS has always had a ton of pickup and when I've let off the gas I have never noticed any form of "pull back".
I had a 2006 Corolla S before this Avalon which I loved, the tranny on my current Avalon is awesome! in comparison.
If I was forced to complain on one thing it would be the short first gear, when you sometimes need that get up and go and the car has shifted in second, the rev range is to high to get back to 1st for any real power, yet far to low in second for anything usable.
Other than that the car always knows what to do all by itself to get me what I need whether I am doing 40mph or 80mph.
I have never had a car of this type and have heard some conflicting stories of the new 6 speed generation, I cant speak from that stand point but so far (37000 miles) my Avalon has never made one disturbing sound and has never given one problem.
I can only pray it remains to serve
Here is my baby:
#167 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [necro1234]
Nov 27, 2009 (2:47 pm)
Thank you for your replies! I feel better after hearing from current owners. In my mind, I felt like I bought a lemon! Toyota has always been my only choice of vehicles and probably will always be my only choice! I think I truly have to get use to this new car. A Corolla drives entirely different than the Avalon, and I have to get use to this new change!
The Avalon is so quiet, that you can hear the slightest sounds! At least I know the car is mechanically fine and that the sounds I'm hearing are normal. Thank you very much for your help!
#168 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [tjc78]
Nov 27, 2009 (5:15 pm)
No, the "trans" will actually downshift, sequentually, again and again as roadspeed declines, but not to such a level as to make it a safety issue due to engine braking on teh front wheels. The intent is to enhance FE via extending the "fuel cut" coastdown period/time but without stalling the engine.
The new (07..??) ECU control firmware "watches" the rate at which you release pressure on the gas pedal and if you release gas pedal pressure significant quicker than your average the transaxle is more likely to remain in the lower gear you were just using for acceleration. Presumption being that you wish to now coast down to a lower speed.
This technique is used to (hopefully) avoid some of the inadvertent upshifts that often proceed a need to downshift. In the past the transaxle would ALWAYS upshift as you released pressure on the gas pedal on the presumption that you wished to enter cruise mode.
#169 of 266 Re: End of 2010 model production date? [wwest]
Nov 28, 2009 (5:15 am)
OK, because from what I remember of my '06 (5 speed in that year) was that on a level grade at low speeds the RPMs would drop (upon lifting up on the pedal) to me indicating an upshift. It shifts so smooth sometimes you can't tell. This is where alot of the infamous hesistation problems people complain about arose. Let off the gas, then in a few seconds put your foot back down and there was (still is?) a second delay while the tranny makes up its mind to downshift (probably doesn't have enough pump pressure at low RPM??).
#170 of 266 2010 Avalon or Camry?
Nov 28, 2009 (7:56 am)
I have a 2003 Avalon XLS and have loved it! Unfortunately, because the mileage is above 100,000 miles, it is time to begin looking for its replacement. I drove the 2010 Avalon and loved the feel but found it to be over 5 inches longer than the 2003. I really like a shorter car. The Camry is about the same length as my 2003 Avalon. Has anyone gone from a fully loaded Avalon to a fully loaded Camry and liked it? What about a Nissan Maxima?