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#1 of 266 2010 Avalon
Apr 17, 2008 (10:00 am)
It is too early to begin talking about the 2010 Avalon? Any spy pics, dramatic changes, or should Toyota drop the Avalon entirely. To me the Avalon is not as luxurious nor as attractive as the Camry and I would not be surprised if Toyota discontinued the line.
The Avalon started well as a flagship for the brand but in its current iterationI am not sure how they are positioning it compared to the Camry. To be be considered a flagship brand the Avalon should be more substantial and luxurious but in version 3 (2005 - 2008) it ain't.
Would like to hear readers thoughts.
#2 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon [bwia]
Apr 17, 2008 (4:56 pm)
I read somewhere that the Avalon wasn't getting a redesign until 2011. Maybe someone could confirm? As for your comments about the Avalon I really think you are off the mark. I came out of an '03 which was a fine car, just a bit boring. The '05 redesign gave the car a little personality, more room and one hell of an engine. The look is subjective, my Mother has an '09 Camry SE and in that trim, certainly looks sportier than my Avalon. A friend has a fully loaded '07 XLE V6 Camry that I have driven and I can tell you while very similar to the Avalon, the Av is more isolated from the road and has a better ride. Also my '06 XLS (not fully loaded) has everything the Camry has except for the "smart key". The Limited has things the Camry doesn't even offer, cooled seats, laser cruise, signal mirrors. Its also the little touches in the Avalon that make it nicer for me, such as variable temp on the heated seats, auto up/down driver and pass windows, the indirect lighting on the overhead console, and the integrated information display. I would be very surprised if Toyota kills the Avalon or changes it much. It sells fairly well without incentives and is the benchmark of the large sedans (under 40K). The only one in the price range that comes close is the Azera.
Just out of curiousity what would you do to the current Avalon to make it more "luxurious" without driving the price north of 40K? If you want more lux than the Av offers head down to the "L" dealer they will be happy to sell you an LS for 75K
Apr 17, 2008 (5:42 pm)
More luxurious than avalon is the lexus ES but the back seats are small
As u said that lexus are made in japan where are most of the toyotas made in?
I know land cruiser is japan and the 4 door yaris as well if i am not wrong but what about the other models camry avalon etc etc
#4 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon [tjc78]
Apr 18, 2008 (1:46 am)
Couldn't agree with you more tjc78. I traded in a sedan deville when I bought my 07 avy, and In all honesty, the avy's interior is much nicer than the deville I had.. I thought the deville was rather "plain"... the deville did have a bit of a smoother ride, but the 275 hp Northstar didn't seem to offer my any more "get up and go" than the 268 hp engine in my avy..... as for the lexus being more luxurious than the avy, maybe so.. I test drove one before I bought the toyota... There were some things that I considered "nicer" than the avalons, but nearly nice enough to compensate for the difference in price.. at least not in my book...
#5 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon [tjc78]
Apr 18, 2008 (7:56 am)
Given the level of growing public awareness of the safety hazards arising from FWD and F/AWD I would not be surprised to see the next Avalon model based on the Lexus GS series.
Now THAT would return, undoubtedly return, the Avalon to "Flagship" status.
#6 of 266 Re: 2010 Avalon [bwia]
Apr 19, 2008 (6:36 pm)
Definitely not too early to start a discussion on the 2010. The '09 model will be out in 5 months, so the next generation should be well under way in the design stage. It will, of course, be all new if the pattern holds. Having owned one of each generation I firmly believe that each has been an improvement over the prior model. Granted there were some things I liked that were lost to each change, each is still a better car overall than the prior generation. But now what?
If Avy goes AWD only and the gas mileage drops, there will be lots of buyers looking at the competition. How many people really need it for 2 grand or more and less fuel mileage? As an option, OK. But don't put a hump in the rear seat floor on the FWD models. And even more power is available from this engine so why not keep it. And the 6 speed if it works well.
As a potential buyer for a 2010, all additional design rumors, spy pics and other comments would be more than welcome...
#7 of 266 Features I'd want for the 4th Generation Avalon
Jun 27, 2008 (10:29 pm)
The Avalon needs to bring back the front BENCH SEAT. They had these in the first and second generation, but not the current 3rd. It is quite nice and different to have a bench seat in the front - making it feel more spacious and open. Secondly, I'd like to see Park Assist Sensors to help with parking and/or a back-up camera standard. These are great safety features, and as to why they are not on this wonderful car so far, it's mind boggling. I know you can buy a Lexus with these, but the Lexus's don't even come close to how wonderful and roomy the Avalon is!! I have a 1995 Avalon and I LOVE IT. Still runs like new!! Way to go Toyota!
#8 of 266 Re: Features I'd want for the 4th Generation Avalon [george5]
Jul 02, 2008 (3:40 am)
The bench seat was my son-in-law's favorite as he is a large man but I don't think the demand is strong enough to bring back bench seats.
Now, with gasoline prices expected to reach $7 by the end of the year perhaps Toyota will have to go back to the drawing board to come up with a more fuel efficient Avalon design.
No longer can Toyota or any manufacturer continue to build behemoths without significant sales decline. If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.
#9 of 266 Re: Features I'd want for the 4th Generation Avalon [bwia]
Jul 02, 2008 (3:47 am)
If Toyota insists on keeping the Avalon at its current weight and size it will have to use a more advanced hybrid or even an all electric plug-in.
The Avalon is probably the most efficient large car on the market. 30+ Hwy is more than doable at 65 - 70. My weekend travels of about 250 miles 80% hwy / 20% city yielded me 26.5 MPG and that was with the air on/ 80+ MPH and 95 degrees outside. Not too bad IMO.
#10 of 266 Re: Features I'd want for the 4th Generation Avalon [bwia]
Jul 02, 2008 (5:54 am)
We all want the cars we drive to be more fuel efficient. Maybe a hybrid, hydrogen or all electric Avalon is in the future. But if you look around at what you can reasonably buy today, the Avalon offers a lot of size and comfort with excellent acceleration, and at about 30 mpg on the road, great gas mileage. This combination is hard to beat.
If Toyota wants to bring something back for 2010, how about "visibility" so you see out better. More glass. And a back up camera, standard with Nav. Never thought about a return to the bench seat option, but that could be a winner......