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Re: 08 Rabbit concerns? [driveinalong] by shipo
Jun 25, 2008 (11:35 am)
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Replying to: driveinalong (Jun 25, 2008 9:47 am)

A couple of points:
 
1) I believe that all VWs since about 2006 have come with Synthetic oil from the factory.
 
2) To be sure, all 2.0T engines require synthetic oil that meets the VW 502.00 oil specification, and it is my understanding that the 2.5T and the 3.2 and 3.6 liter VR6 motors have come with 502.00 synthetic oil since at least that time as well.
 
3) The three most commonly available oils that meet the 502.00 (or the more stringent 503.01 gasoline engine oil specifications are as follows:
 - Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (meets 502.00)
 - Castrol Syntec 0W-30 (meets 502.00 & 503.01)
 - Mobil 1 0W-40 (meets 502.00 & 503.01)
 
4) The above oils can usually be found at Napa, Autozone and Walmart (usually just the Mobil 1 0W-40), at least in our area, and typically they carry a price that ranges from $5.50 to $6.00 per quart.
 
5) I've heard from folks who've been able to get their oil changed at their dealership for ~$60.00 and others who've paid more than $100.00. Given the cost of this oil, I'm thinking that $60.00 is something of a loss-leader, and $100.00 is a bit of a rip off.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: 08 Rabbit concerns? [shipo] by driveinalong
Jun 26, 2008 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 25, 2008 11:35 am)

RTFriendlyM - always a good idea...(should remember my own advice)
 
Car does come with synthetic oil from factory - following taken from '08 Rabbit S 2.5L M manual 3.2 "Tips and Advice" -
 
"Your engine was factory-filled with a high-quality, all-season engine oil that meets Volkswagen oil quality standards and has a viscosity grade of SAE 5W-40..."
 
"If you need to add oil between oil changes, use only a high quality synthetic based oil that expressly complies with VW oil quality standard 502.00. If viscosity grade SAE 5W-40 is not available, you can use SAE 5W-30 as long as it complies with VW oil quality standard VW 502.00"
 
"At the time this manual was printed, engine oils available in the U.S. that meet the standard are synthetic oils. ...However, not every synthetic engine oil will meet VW quality standards. Always use an approved oil that meets Volkswagen oil quality standard VW 502.00..."
 
On my first go around, I read the "3.3 technical data" manual which did not include oil quality standards.
 
I'm thinking I would do well to RTentireFMBinder in more detail before returning to the dealership for technical information.
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Re: 08 Rabbit concerns? [driveinalong] by shipo
Jun 26, 2008 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: driveinalong (Jun 26, 2008 4:58 am)

Ahhh, so you've confirmed my understanding that the 2.5 comes with synthetic from the factory and requires 502.00 oil. Thank you, I appreciate the information.
 
FWIW, some of the worst advice regarding the care and feeding of a modern automobile has come from dealership service advisors and technicians. Is this to say that none of them know what they're talking about? Nope. The rule I follow is, "Trust, but verify."
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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08 Rabbit Issues by crazedcommuter
Jun 27, 2008 (4:26 pm)
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Good evening VW drivers. This is my 1st VW question as I've been on the Scion Forum for 3 years. My 19 yr. old son is looking at the 08 VW Rabbit as his first new car. Do any of you folks have any concerns about longevity and maintenance costs of the Bunny?
 
Since he's a college student that commutes 40 miles daily, he'll need reliability, comfort, good MPG, and low maintenance costs. He's saved a nice chunck of down payment money and has been very meticulus with his previous car. We've tested a sage 2 door with auto., arm rest and mats. Dealer quoted $17100 plus T&T. Is this a fair quote?
 
Thanks to all.
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Re: 08 Rabbit Issues [crazedcommuter] by jeffyscott
Jun 28, 2008 (3:48 am)
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Replying to: crazedcommuter (Jun 27, 2008 4:26 pm)

I think maintenace costs can be a bit higher, but to worry about maybe $100-200 difference in maintenance costs over 3-5 years, as some seem to do, when you are spending nearly $20K, on a vehicle does seem too logical to me.
 
We have a 2005.5 Jetta (maintenance requirements should be pretty similar to the rabbit) and have done all maintenance at the dealer according to the VW schedule and in 3 years total cost has been about $455 (we did get one free oil change).
 
Note that apparently as of 2009 models, VW will include no charge maintenance over the first 3 years or 36K mi. This would appear to be worth ~$500, based on our experience (assuming it includes everything). I believe that it comes at the cost of dropping the full warranty to 3 years/36,000 mi. for 2009 models.
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Re: 08 Rabbit Issues [jeffyscott] by crazedcommuter
Jun 29, 2008 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 28, 2008 3:48 am)

Thank you for your answers on the VW. Here is an update on our shopping. My son drove his new Rabbit home at 5:30 yesterday. I believe that we got a fair deal-although fair is a relative term in car sales. 2008 2 door black Rabbit with auto. The options were floor mats, arm rest with IPOD jack, and a cargo tray. OTD price of $17977. No trade was involved and we took the 1.9% finanancing rate for 48 mos., and this is a good way for my son to build a credit history for himself. He gets the first oil change for free at 5k miles. That may be next year for him. I think he put 7k miles on his last car in 2 years.
 
We tested the 2008 Honda Fit and the Toyota Yaris also but the VW just felt more solid--not like an economy car. The Honda dealer offered 17,600 OTD for the Fit Sport but the financing was 5.3% for 48 mos. The extra $377 that the VW cost is offset by the 1.9% finance rate. He disliked the Yaris the most as there was no acceration with 3 of us on the test drive and the a/c on high. It just didn't want to accerate up an on ramp.
 
I'm counting on this car to get my son through the next 3 years of college as a commuting student and hopefully carry him for many years after he graduates.
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MPG Question by rotary
Jul 15, 2008 (6:05 pm)
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I have looked at the new Rabbit and have a question for any owners.
 
What's the real life MPG, both city and highway, for either the auto or manual?
 
Thanks to anyone who can provide their experience.
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Re: MPG Question [rotary] by shirotori
Jul 15, 2008 (8:29 pm)
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Replying to: rotary (Jul 15, 2008 6:05 pm)

I have the 07 manual. In the summer months I'm getting about 28 hwy and 25 city, whereas in the colder months I got about 26 hwy and 24ish city.
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Re: MPG Question [shirotori] by rotary
Jul 15, 2008 (10:10 pm)
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Replying to: shirotori (Jul 15, 2008 8:29 pm)

Okay, thanks. That helps me a great deal. The mileage isn't as great as I'd have thought, but it's not so bad that it doesn't compensate for the lower price versus what some other cars in the Rabbit's range are getting.
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Re: MPG Question [rotary] by jeffyscott
Jul 16, 2008 (4:41 am)
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Replying to: rotary (Jul 15, 2008 6:05 pm)

In a 2005 Jetta with the same 2.5 engine and automatic, we averaged 30-32 mpg on a freeway trip at 70-75 mph.

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