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Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, Mitsubishi Outlander
#1 of 121 getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander?
Jun 10, 2007 (10:01 pm)
We are going to replace our Civic with some small SUV. My husband considers the Outlander. He likes all the features and the steering. For me reliability is a key factor, so I'd like to consider RAV and CRV. Has anyone done a similar comarison?
#2 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [brown99]
Jun 10, 2007 (10:11 pm)
I prefer the CRV. Check out the swinging gate on the RAV. It seems much less convenient than the CRV liftgate and looks "old" next to the CRV.
#3 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [brown99]
Jun 12, 2007 (7:28 pm)
I guess, don't know enough about CRV, but I have done the RAV4/Outlander comparison and I pick the Outlander. I am just one guy, but check out the owner ratings at Edmunds, Yahoo and MSN: Outlander owners are happier on all three sites. Also check out this list of advantages for both cars:
Optional dealer installed accessories for Outlander: Outlander catalog
Consumer Reports ratings: CR Best and Worst
And I agree with the previous poster: swinging gate on the RAV is not good for curbside loading.
#4 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [chelentano]
Jun 21, 2007 (9:39 am)
Not to sound like a troll here, but let's dissect this comparison.
Powertrain- All the gears and "tri-mode" 4WD systems in the world don't change the fact that the RAV4 has more power and gets better mileage.
Handling/Braking- I'll grant you the Outlander had a better slalom time, but even Motor Trend would have to admit that 0.3 seconds in the figure 8 and 2 feet of difference in stopping distance from 60 are far less than the vehicle-to-vehicle variability that you would see on either model. Yeah, 18 inch wheels look nice, but when the tires are 25+% more expensive to replace, you realize that every design choice has its benefits and detriments.
Safety- Since when are wheel locks and a car alarm safety items? This section is where it starts to become pretty obvious that this comparison was generated by someone who is trying to sell you a Mitsubishi.
Features- Here we continue the salesmanship. Paddle shifters? My guess is that after the first month of ownership, 99% of owners will put the transmission in drive and forget about the paddle shifters. My sister used to have a first-generation Dodge Stratus that was one of the first manumatics on the market. AutoStick was also really cool- for the first week. If you're looking for fun, involved driving, your dealer likely has a Miata on the used lot that you should consider. Yes, keyless operation is nice, but do you really think it would be a deal breaker for most buyers? Skid plates- Yeah, you need skid plates on a FWD based, unit-body SUV. Dealer installed wood trim? Do I really need to expand on this one?
Entertainment- Funny, there's no mention here of the standard 6-disc changer or optional rear DVD system in the RAV4. As for the Hard Drive Music Server, my RAV4 has something similar. It's the iPod jack, and you can take it with you and listen through headphones, unlike the Mitsubishi's.
That final 31-7 score looks pretty convincing, until you stop to consider where it came from...
#5 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [chelentano]
Jun 21, 2007 (10:05 am)
Cut to the chase. Just get the CRV. Wait till the next model year so you can get an AVTEC I4.
#6 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [leeharvey418]
Jun 21, 2007 (12:27 pm)
I'd have to agree that the comparison above is not really an objective one.
However, instead disecting his comparison, offer your own, more objective comparison.
The other guy put some effort into what he presented (biased as it may be)...
In my humble opinion, each of the three vehicles is equally competent. I think that the prospective buyer should test drive each one (which car "feels" best) and then consider the value (what do I get for what I'm paying).
#7 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [chelentano]
Jun 21, 2007 (4:50 pm)
Here is CR view as you can see they liked the outlander but but dont recommend it.
Highs: Powertrain, handling.
Lows: Ride, road noise, fit and finish, radio controls with optional navigation.
Ratings Snapshot (see below for detail)
NEW Predicted reliability Fuel economy
NEW Owner satisfaction Acceleration
NA Predicted depreciation Ride
Accident avoidance Front seat comfort
NA / NA Crash protect w/wo side air bags
The redesigned 2007 Outlander uses a new, larger platform that allows room for a tiny third-row seat. An all-new 3.0-liter, 220-hp V6 provides a lot of punch and is smooth and refined. A four-cylinder engine will likely be offered later. The slick transmission is a new six-speed automatic. Handling is fairly agile, with restrained body lean and quick, well-weighted steering. It is also secure and capable at its handling limits, due in part to its standard electronic stability control. The ride is fairly stiff and road noise is pronounced. Interior fit and finish is a bit disappointing.
For all-around competence:
Toyota RAV4 Limited (V6)
Toyota RAV4 (base, 4-cyl.)
Subaru Forester Sports 2.5 XT
Subaru Forester 2.5 X
Both RAV4s are refined and capable. The Forester is a practical and affordable vehicle, but it has stability control only in the Sports XT trim. The CR-V is fairly agile, with good fuel economy and a roomy rear seat.
For off-roading and towing:
The Xterra’s strong V6 and truck-based platform allow it to tow 5,000 pounds. It is also good for serious off-roading.
#8 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [psychogun]
Jun 21, 2007 (5:09 pm)
Absolutely true. That's why I'm an engineer and not a car salesman. It's my job to figure out how to cheaply and effectively build what the marketing people figure that John Q. Public wants and needs in his next vehicle. For my car payment, the RAV4 does the best job of giving me what I want and need. Your mileage may vary...
#9 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [leeharvey418]
Jun 21, 2007 (5:12 pm)
My comparison includes only unique features on one car vs. the other (except for CR rating). Therefore other options available on both cars equally (standard/optional) not mentioned: MP3 6-CD changer, optional DVD player, iPod jack, and a lot of other equipment.
Your response includes only excuses. Nice big tires, but “25% more expensive to replace”. No wheel locks and security system – ‘Safety’ is a wrong category! (alright I should call it ‘safety and security’). Paddle shifters and autostick – useless! Skidplates – useless! “Looking for fun, involved driving” – get Miata (not the RAV, I guess)! No music server – use iPod! No navigation system - use a map! No car – walk!
You call my comparison biased, but I listed the all hard facts. You could not deny a single one and you have not found any unique RAV4 feature, which I did not mention. You response is more biased, since you provide only excuses. As Psychogun said, “offer your own, more objective comparison”.
RAV4 is a nice car, but the Outlander is better. RAV4 has more powerful and efficient engine, but Outlander beats RAV in everything else: warranty, features, handling, AWD system, transmission, safety and security, entertainment, value. Outlander is better all-around car. If you have a conspiracy theory, that I am a Mitsubishi salesman, who are the other hundreds of people, who rated Outlander higher and RAV lower on major consumer ratings sites? Are they salespeople too?
#10 of 121 Re: getting a new car: RAV, CRV or Oulander? [chelentano]
Jun 21, 2007 (5:52 pm)
So,then,why does the CRV outsell them both combined? What effect do you think that will have on the resale of your Outlander?