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#960 of 1027 Has the Camry Problem been Resolved?
Mar 23, 2010 (11:13 pm)
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Toyota Repair Document Uncovered: Toyota warned dealers of throttle surging in 2002
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/22/toyota.throttle.warning/index.html?hpt=T2 Read Toyota Service Bulletin
The internal Toyota document was given to CNN by a group of attorneys now seeking a nationwide class-action lawsuit against the company. Ditlow said the document -- not previously made public -- indicates Toyota knew much earlier about an electronic connection to sudden acceleration problems. He also said the bulletin was apparently ignored or hidden from the public not only by Toyota, but also by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
Read National Highway Traffic Safety Administration memo
"The government is really hiding this information from the consumer," Ditlow told CNN. "They're in a conspiracy with the auto industry to keep these out of the public's sight."
The attorneys now suing Toyota say the repair bulletin is proof the car company knowingly lied to the public about the causes of sudden acceleration, blaming floor mats or stuck gas pedals instead.
"They can fix these problems easily," said Tim Howard, a Northeastern University law professor who heads the legal group suing Toyota. "But it would cost them about $500 a car nationwide. If you have six [million] to seven million cars, you add the numbers -- it's between $4 [billion] and $5 billion. It's hard to actually tell the truth when those numbers are at the bottom of that truth."
NHTSA did not respond to requests for comment. And Toyota did not respond to questions about the bulletin, but it issued a statement to CNN attacking Howard and his fellow lawyers.
"Toyota strongly disputes these completely baseless allegations being driven by plaintiff's attorneys like Mr. Howard," the statement said. "Toyota intends to fight against these unfounded claims vigorously."
Howard and his legal team say they plan to appear in federal court in San Diego, California, later this week, trying to persuade a federal judge to combine the 88 individual lawsuits so far filed against Toyota into a single class-action litigation.
Video of the Toyota service bulletin> http://clipta.com/Toyota_repair_document_uncovered__nNjg3NA==
In related news>>> Toyota shareholders sue over fallen stock price http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100322/ap_on_bi_ge/us_toyota_investor_ire_5
#961 of 1027 Re: Has the Camry Problem been Resolved? [pixshooter]
Mar 24, 2010 (5:46 am)
Surging, especially in this case going from 38-42 mph and back, is hardly the equal of sudden acceleration.
Anyone who drove a carbureted car in the early 70s would consider this trifling.
Plus this was hardly a "secret" document -- it was a Technical Service Bulletin that anyone can obtain by paying for it through a subscription service. I actually was able to obtain a number of TSBs online through a public library, at no charge. (These have since been removed from free access.)
Another case of the lawyers groveling to cash in.
Mar 31, 2010 (10:47 am)
My preference is RWD..Maybe it's because of my elevated age and RWD was all that was being produced for the greater part of my life..Each drive systems has it's advantage..My first ride was a tweaked 35 Ford, straight dual exhausts powered by a flathead 1948 V-8 .so I am dated..Owned many FWD cars, no AWD..
Waiting on my Mustang GT, 2010 or 2011..
Camry update--2002 XLE gas mileage--4banger-23.04mpg versus 2006 Pontiac GPGT w/S/C 260hp V-6---20.85mpg---similiar driving routes, not much of a difference in gas mileage..I buy gas for both, Camry on a cheap regular and the Pontiac on Shell V-plus less 6% due to old shell credit card. Why go the 4-banger route???
#963 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [motorcity6]
Mar 31, 2010 (12:01 pm)
Wait on the Mustang until you can get one with the 5.0. Right now my Flex EB has 35 more HP and can smoke a Mustang GT, and it is only a V6 on 87 O. That Camry mileage is pretty low, is that all city driving?
#964 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [acdii]
Mar 31, 2010 (1:25 pm)
Your 2.5 ton Flex with 355 horses won't smoke a 1.7 ton Mustang with 315 horses.
The EB Flex is fast, but not that fast.
Back to your regularly scheduled Camry.
#965 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [acdii]
Apr 01, 2010 (10:40 am)
The Pontiac is a glutton on gas mileage, however the Camry should win the economy by a larger margin..In the last 3 yrs I have driven the Camry probably 300 miles.. It is female driven and gets about 1 fillup/monthly..The Pontiac gets a weekly dose of petrol..
The Flex sounds great and I shall be on the lookout for an road comparsion between the GT and the racy Flex....
Driving pattern is 50/50, town/open road. Sarasota County, mainly Venice area.
The local Camry dealer has had 4-2011 SE w/sunroof, mats and the Toyo policy on his lot for almost 2 mos, and was willing a couple weeks to eliminate dealer fee, mats,Toyo policy charge and discount the base by 18%..
Owning a Camry SE-4banger might save me 50.00 a month on gas. However I believe that the price of gas will "skyrocket" within the next 18 mos due to our left-hand leadership of the WH...and the raising of gas mileage, fleet stds from 2020 to 2016.. $7.00/ gal on the horizon...
#966 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [thegraduate]
Apr 01, 2010 (12:30 pm)
It all depends on who is behind the wheel! Between the Flex and the Stang, the difference in the quarter can be as little as .6 seconds, and it all boils down to who gets out the chute first, and if the lighter Stang spins any rubber, Flex wins. I fully expect a Mustang Gt with a competent driver to be able to beat the Flex in a race, but an average drive in a Stang against a competent driver in the Flex, would make for an interesting race. A Taurus SHO with a CAI and tune ran 12 seconds, other than a weight penalty on the Flex, a CAI and tune would make the Flex one scary fast ride.
However I believe that the price of gas will "skyrocket" within the next 18 mos due to our left-hand leadership of the WH...and the raising of gas mileage, fleet stds from 2020 to 2016.. $7.00/ gal on the horizon...
And watch, no one will be bashing Obama like they did Bush. If you find a car you like that isn't a Hybrid, or sub compact, better get it now, you wont find one in 6 years, not with the average MPG being 35 MPG. Anything larger than a corolla or civic will need to be a hybrid, or be really underpowered.
#967 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [motorcity6]
Apr 03, 2010 (8:35 am)
Mustang, Camaro, Charger, Corvette, and Viper or only about BIG IRON. Porsche is about finesse and GREAT driving dynamics.
Stop waiting for the Mustang and shop for a used Boxster or Cayman.
I have owned a '67, '71, and '72 Mustang FB's, and lately a 2001 Mustang convertible, V6, manual. '01 was purpose bought for a run on the track at daytona.
Our '95 LS400 gets 24.5MPG hwy.
#968 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [acdii]
Apr 03, 2010 (8:42 am)
Did you know that Reagan, on the advice of Kissenger, was the cause of the huge gas price increase back then. The idea was to prop up the Shah of Iran by filling his personal coffers.
IMMHO the best thing our government could do is pre-annonce gas tax increases over the next 10-20 years, a $ a year tax increase. Use the excess funding to build high speed railways and inner city subways.
We really do need to wean ourselves off of foreign energy supplies.
#969 of 1027 Re: AWD,RWD,AND FWD [wwest]
Apr 03, 2010 (12:18 pm)
By the time Reagan took office, the Shah had already been overthrown, and the radical Muslims were in charge. In fact, the American hostages were released on Reagan's inauguration day.