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#633 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [pixshooter]
Dec 01, 2009 (7:49 pm)
thanks for the detailed review.
As you mentioned between the Honda accord and the camry there is not comparison. It's like day and night. For the comfort smooth and confortable ride the Camry offers and for the price in the US market I'll say Hello my friends.
I've Drove long time german cars in German (Because the europeen models are way different that what they send here in the US) and I had problem feeling the German car driving experience at LOWER COST. The only car I tested and was satisfied with the price and performance was the 2007 Mazda CX-7. Dem this is a car. I end up buying this.
Also one think I hear people complaining about the gaz milenage on the CX-7 and I'll say US car drivers has zero idea on car (JUST TO BE CLEAR IT'S NOT MY INTENTION TO OFFEND POEPLE HERE). They are driving a 269 horse power car and on the top of It an cross over and they are expecting to have 25-30 Miles/Gallon......... Crazy even the camry with 169 HP can just make it. Please go on German tuning (race profesional) web sites and see what compliment was given to the CX-7 with respect to the price/class/performance even with BMW can beat It. And my god the brake on the CX-7.
Now back to the camry: I owned a (a 1997 Toyota Corolla E11, Lunea luna limited edition See pics 10 and 11 also feel free to google) in Germany for 7 years and sold It before moving to the US. The car was so gut. Was very disappointed with the toyotas builded for the us market (here in the US). Got first here a 2008 corolla CE (for every day drive cause the Mazda CX-7 is my baby). No ABS, no nothing beside airbag. was cheap and for a first car.....
We've tested the 2009 Camry some time ii summer when it was on sale and we were so disappointed that we've decided to keep our 2008 corolla. Even the $3.000 off didn't make us think twice.
With family growth (2 kids) we've started locking into sedan and first tested the 2010 Camry basic model. What a hudge difference compared with the 2009 model and the 2008 Corolla. Then the Honda accord(this is carbage) and then we went with the 2010 camry XLE with 4 cylinders (XLE because can't drive a car without leather wrapped steering wheel and was getting more option for the money). Dam this is a car and if you compare It with other cars on the US market (even the Lexus, they just look more luxurious but the ride is not that great. The 2010 camry drive smoother that other lexus model I drove).
So to summarize. ALL 2010 camry owners be proud of the quality of the car you are driving. For those who are looking for a new family/sedan ride don't be fooled with the latest recall. this is a great car and you can't go wrong. with the current incentive 2.9% for 60 months or 0.0% for 36 months.............
#634 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [corolla_e11]
Dec 02, 2009 (12:11 am)
The american public is justifiably disappointed in the FE of the CX-7. The 4 cylinder motor with DFI would normally get about 15-20% better FE if not for having to accommodate the turbo. To allow for turbo boost, at the relatively RARE times of need, the engine MUST be detuned/derated for "normal" highway cruising use..95% of the time..??
Normally a DFI engine could have a base/static compression ratio of as much as 12:1. But in order to provide for a decent level of turbo boost the static CR must be lower than otherwise.
The shame of all this, the REAL shame, is that Mazda could have made use of the new Toyota e/VVT-i technique to transition the engine operating mode from Otto, CR of 15:1(low cylinder charge), to Atkinson, CR of 12:1(moderate cylinder charge), to Miller cycle mode, CR of 8:1(WOT). Probably wouldn't have had enough "juice" left in the exhaust to spool up a turbo, but a good positive displacement variable volume SC (remember the Millenia S..??) would have worked wonders.
And the other bad news is that Ford is making exactly the same mistake with TwinForce ("EcoBoost").
#635 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [gooddeal2]
Dec 04, 2009 (5:30 pm)
So, I ended up having to pay another $2,000.00 and trade my 2009 Accord LX for a 2010 Camry LE.
I don't know how you did it but it's a screaming deal that you only need to pay 2K to get rid of the 1 year old car regardless it's 1-2 months old.
gooddeal2- I was working 5 dealers in 3 states when I got the Honda. I hate trying to get these guys to come down to a realistic price but it is possible. i just keep telling one dealer that the other dealer is offering a better deal. If the salesman won't budge then get another salesman. Many ''tell me'' that they are not getting any commission but it is more about total sales. I know they lie but I keep on tying to get the bargain.
I also dealt with around 6 dealers for the Toyota. Some of the online prices they give are bs once you get to the dealer. (My honda was not and neither was the Camry dealr that I eventually went with. I had both send me total out tghe door price with taxes etc...
The Toyota dealer wanted the Accord real bad. Heck it only had 200 miles on it. They told me they wanted it on their lot so they could compare it to their Camrys to potential customers. Yea Sure... In the end they did tell me...NOW GO AWAY....LOL
I might of mentioned that they did stick me with the upgraded radio after lying to me and telling me that the car I wanted was on a boat coming from Japan and it had the radio or I would have to wait a month. I was happy that they were so busy that they still had Camrys made in Japan coming to America. I asked for the boats name so I could track it and they could not find the info. hmmmmmm Then when the car arrived I looked at door plate and it said made it Kentucky. My salesperson said ''oh they just put that plate on it'' I went to management to get the truth and then my salesperson said she did not know that it came from Kentucky....after she showed me what was supposedly my car on a boat. You can get the deal. If they don't come down ...Walk away. They need to sell cars.
#636 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [pixshooter]
Dec 04, 2009 (5:48 pm)
They told me they wanted it on their lot so they could compare it to their Camrys to potential customers.
Yeb, you got a real deal there. About 2 years, I wanted to trade in my Altima for a new Accord (old design '07) b/c they had heavy discount. The dealer wouldn't give me a penny more than the auction number on the Altima b/c they said they will NOT keep the car on lot. They will send it to auction. They don't want people to compare the Altima w/ the Accord.
I didn't really trust the guy, so, I decided to walk around their used car lot and I couldn't find an Altima. I saw a couple Maximas. When I got home, I check their website and I didn't see any Altima also.
I ended up w/ a new Altima instead b/c Nissan dealer wanted my car on their lot and they offered me more than the Honda dealer.
I tried to get a new Altima late last month and the dealer let me walk out for $200 diff.
#637 of 1027 I4 cannot travel straight?
Dec 04, 2009 (7:29 pm)
I test drove 2 2010 I4 camry. Both of them could not travel in a straight line (pull right) when my hands off the steering... anyone tried it on their?
#638 of 1027 Re: I4 cannot travel straight? [carzzz]
Dec 04, 2009 (8:16 pm)
Mine is does not pull- straight, no problem. Have you tried driving the same route with a car you think can travel in a straight line?
#639 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [pixshooter]
Dec 05, 2009 (6:37 pm)
Okay - I just turned the keys to an '03 Accord that I drove and loved and put 116K miles on it. In turn, I bought a 2010 Camry LE. I love the new Camry, but I loved the Accord back in '03 when I bought it. I will say that the Camry is much quieter than the Accord, but like you said, the Camry interior layout isn't as 'flashy' as the Accord. I noticed some of the same things you mentioned as well...the center console has a crappy little tray that is difficult to move, the USB outlet is sorta out of the way, the pockets on the back of the seats are 'low quality', the trunk however, i have no problems with - very roomy. i do find myself speeding because of how quiet the cabin is. All in all, I really like me car. My wife drives an '03 Camry and I'm having a hard time keeping her out of my newer model.
AND......the son loves the Honda.
#640 of 1027 Re: Toyota's fall continues [lsu_guy2002]
Dec 06, 2009 (5:57 pm)
Yes, I agree the interior is not as plush as it was in earlier models (2002-2006), but if you consider all the stuff that has been added (traction & stability control, 7 airbags, etc) larger engine, AND the fact that the price has not really gone up, if you take into consideration inflation, it makes it a little more tolerable. Other makes have cheapened the interiors as well. Personally, I would pay a little more for a nicer interior, but it is not terrible. It is very functional and laid out, just not as plush as prior generations. I stiif recommend putting some white lithium grease on the tray to make it easier to move.
#641 of 1027 Re: camry recall question [210delray]
Dec 07, 2009 (7:31 am)
It appears from isolated testing by owners on PriusChat the the new 2010 Prius has the smart brake override installed - but not announced - already. It works as indicated.