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Replying to: wwest (Jul 31, 2008 7:33 am) It's not going to happen with a conventional gasoline engine, especially with people still clamoring for "more power". |
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Replying to: seatoyotasales (Jun 29, 2008 3:09 pm) |
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Replying to: phd86 (Jul 30, 2008 10:47 pm) This is hogwash, low 30s on the highway at posted 65-70 mph speed limits is no sweat for my 2005 4-cylinder with the 5-speed auto, and my 2004 with the same engine but the older 4-speed auto is capable of mid to upper 30s. I know you've argued with me and everyone else about the validity of such claims, but I stand by my measurements (calculated by miles driven divided by gallons to fill; the trip computer on the '05 is wildly optimistic). Put up your e-mail address in your profile and I'll send my spreadsheets. OTOH, 40 mpg is a stretch I'd think unless you go a constant 50-55 on a level road. I highly doubt the 2010 will have any significant engine changes. For the other poster regarding the V6, aren't 263 horses more than enough?
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Replying to: 210delray (Jul 31, 2008 7:04 pm) This is hogwash, low 30s on the highway at posted 65-70 mph speed limits is no sweat for my 2005 4-cylinder with the 5-speed auto, and my 2004 with the same engine but the older 4-speed auto is capable of mid to upper 30s. I know you've argued with me and everyone else about the validity of such claims, but I stand by my measurements (calculated by miles driven divided by gallons to fill; the trip computer on the '05 is wildly optimistic). Put up your e-mail address in your profile and I'll send my spreadsheets. OTOH, 40 mpg is a stretch" It sounds like you're agreeing with me (4 spd outperforms 5 spd, 40 mpg a stretch) at least in part. I'll keep this short....remind me, didn't you post theterm efficiency at something like 28 mpg on your 2004? That's still pretty good. I would say mine is something like 22-24 mpg (mixed).
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Replying to: phd86 (Jul 31, 2008 10:56 pm) On the '05, I have complete records from new up to its current 32K miles. Worst believable is 20 mpg, best is 35 mpg. We've taken enough long-distance trips (including a 2400-mile round trip to Florida this past spring) to count on 32 mpg on the highway, using cruise and keeping to the speed limit. Also included in this trip was a 602-mile run on a single tank -- meeting your challenge -- where I refilled with 18.53 gallons, yielding (surprise!) 32+ mpg. I have the records; just put your e-mail up temporarily on your profile and you can check them out yourself.
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Replying to: phd86 (Jul 30, 2008 10:47 pm) For the record, we have quite a few Toyotas in our extended family. One is a '98 Corolla VE 3-speed auto, another is a '98 Corolla CE 4-speed auto. Both are similarly equipped and driven very conservatively and are shared by family members. Both are extremely well maintained and have just over 100K each. The 3-speed VE gets 32mpg mixed mileage while the 4-speed CE gets about 35mpg. Note that the cars are shared, so driving style is not a significant issue in this particular family. I've read your postings in the mileage forum. My mom's 2007 Camry LE 4cyl auto gets about 36 mpg on Hwy driving only, at about 65mph. Yes, I tried it both ways (fill the tank up to the max vs stop at the first click). Both yielded similar results over a 1000+ miles total trip. As such, I don't think 40+mpg is a stretch for the 2010 Camry with 6 speed auto transmission. I will definitely buy one if mpg increases significantly with the 6speed. Unfortunately, as another poster pointed out, car makers in the U.S. try to keep the mpg constant while increase HP in new model years. I hope that changes in 2010. Toyota: We have enough power already! Please please please increase the MPG instead of power in the next models!
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Replying to: saidiadude (Aug 01, 2008 8:02 am)
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Replying to: seatoyotasales (Aug 02, 2008 8:19 pm) |
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Replying to: saidiadude (Aug 01, 2008 8:02 am) The newer 5 speed more likely uses the lockup clutch in 2 or even three of the higher gear ratios and with a 4 cylinder only the top gear is likley to be a true OD. Obviously the 4 cylinder cannot remain in OD and/or with the lockup clutch engaged as much as would a 6 cylinder with a 5 speed. Let's acknowledge that the 5 speed in the 6 cylinder will not likely be as "low" geared overall as would be the 4 cylinder. The bottom line is that with a 4 cylinder the top gear, OD, ratio in the 5 speed might very well be the same ratio as the top gear in the 4 speed. That would mean no real hwy FE advantage for the 5 speed. Not such a simple equation as one might at first think.
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Replying to: saidiadude (Aug 01, 2008 8:02 am) CVT's cannot yet handle "higher" levels of HP/Torque. |
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