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Re: What else changed? [thegraduate] by acdii
Apr 06, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 06, 2009 12:25 pm)

I have a few Fords in my garage as well as the Camry. The Crown Vic/Grand Marquis cars are always tough dependable cars with good quality in them, they are just dated. With the exception of the 2007 Town Car, they are all over 120K miles on them and still going strong. The 1995 Grand marquis looks like hell since it has some weather damage to it, but on the coldest days, starts right up, only work put into it was new steering components, they took a beating on the crappy roads around here. My F30 is 10 years old, has 133K on it, no major repairs other than ball joints, and it is a 1 tom Behemoth that takes a beating. None of the Fords we have has had a trip back to the dealer for anything.
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Re: What else changed? [wwest] by acco20
Apr 06, 2009 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 05, 2009 7:48 pm)

wwest....I value almost all of your comments, usually backed up by your personal experience, but that statement about front wheel drive is below your usual expert response. Now don't go off quoting some silly results of testing using some dangerous moves performed on some test track by some people trying to prove the danger of front wheel drive. Those findings are about as acurate as the fact "even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then", true,,,,but not real world. JMHO.
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Re: What else changed? [1lpn] by mcdawgg
Apr 06, 2009 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: 1lpn (Apr 06, 2009 12:06 pm)

Well, my 2007 I-4 manual has been perfect, except that I had the computer reprogrammed for the occassional hesitation on acceleration. It only took the dealer 25 minutes, and the car has been perfect ever since. Most of the mechanicals on this car are tried and true. The engine is the same as the 2002-2006, and the tranny (5 manual) is also the same. Many other major components are also the same. So I had no reason to fear a first year car, and I do not regret it. With the 2010, it is a new engine, but I still wouldn't have a problem buying one. I have had another first year total redesign Toyota from 2001, and had no problems except for a few rattles that were fixed. Honda, etc. is the same way.
 
I have no complaints about the backlit trim - strange they are changing it. I may be buying a 2010 or 2011, so I'm curious.
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Re: What else changed? [acdii] by 1lpn
Apr 06, 2009 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 12:38 pm)

The Panther platform is one their better efforts, though, as you said, a bit dated.
 
I hope I am not openning this thread for a flame war, I just wanted to pre-empt the Malibu/Taurus/Fusion fanboys boasting about mileage this and feature that when they never owned the thing.
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Re: What else changed? [acco20] by 210delray
Apr 06, 2009 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: acco20 (Apr 06, 2009 3:45 pm)

He's totally serious, believes FWD cars are inherently less safe than RWD cars because of a supposed tendency of the former to be more susceptible to understeer on pavement that's not dry. Silly me, I always thought oversteer was more dangerous for the average driver because it can cause a car to swap ends! The latter was one of Nader's chief criticisms of the original Corvair.
 
I know I'd take understeer any day. Front wheels lose traction, the natural tendency is to immediately ease up on the gas. Result: car slows down, weight transfers to the front, and traction (and steering control) regained. With oversteer, you have to be very quick with the steering wheel to keep the rear end from coming around!
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Re: What else changed? [acdii] by wwest
Apr 06, 2009 (6:02 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 8:29 am)

"..poor traction control that shut down the motor..."
 
There is a good, SOLID, foundation for dethrottling the engine of a FWD or F/awd the very instant wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed conditions is detected.
 
Many of today's RWD and R/awd vehicles also have TC, Traction Control, but the design parameters often differ in that while the moderate braking of a spinning of slipping wheel will still be virtually INSTANTANEOUS, the engine dethrottling will often be delayed. The dethrottling delay will sometimes be for multiple seconds and in some cases only a few hundred milliseconds.
 
Why...??
 
With loss of traction, wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed traction conditions on a RWD or R/awd the driver still has the ability to maintain directional control. Not so with FWD or F/awd, therefore the design engineers must do their utmost to prevent an extended period of loss of traction on one of these vehicles.
 
So I stand by my statement, while FWD & F/awd vehicles are being made less unsafe via the specific TCS implementation they remain patently UNSAFE. ons.
 
Most learned or experienced 4WD and 4X4 drivers are well aware that it is patently UNSAFE to drive, even on a low traction surface, above dead slow with the front drive engaged. Regretably there is no FWD or F/awd with automatic transaxle vehicle wherein the front drive can be disengaged, nor even QUICKLY disengaged(***) when conditions warrant.
 
*** Of course you could, as the AAA recommends, quickly shift the transaxle into neutral to alleviate the potential from loss of control due to engine compression braking.
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Re: What else changed? [210delray] by wwest
Apr 06, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: 210delray (Apr 06, 2009 5:48 pm)

The biggest problem with the Corvair was the potential for a rear axle/wheel to "tuck-under" in a severe stearing maneuver. Otherwise it had the same shortcoming as today's Porsche 911 and original VW beetle, so much rear weight bias that once you let them, CAUSED them, to start coming around, swapping ends, it was/is practically impossible to stop the rotation.
#154 of 570
Re: What else changed? [wwest] by 210delray
Apr 06, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 06, 2009 6:10 pm)

I agree that the rear swing axle causing "tuck-under" and subsequent rollover was the most serious problem with the original Corvair. However the inherent tendency of the car to oversteer was not disclosed to the typical buyer, who was led to believe the car would handle like a typical RWD car of its day -- that is, understeer at the limit.
 
I disagree with you though that today's FWD cars are inherently unsafe compared to their RWD peers. If this were even marginally true, where is the evidence -- wouldn't we have seen an increase in deaths/injuries on the roads over the past 30 years when FWD became far more popular among cars?
 
But this really isn't the place to be discussing this...supposed to be talking about the 2010 Camry.
#155 of 570
Re: What else changed? [210delray] by wwest
Apr 06, 2009 (10:32 pm)
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Replying to: 210delray (Apr 06, 2009 6:23 pm)

"..-- wouldn't we have seen..." ??
 
No, developments and inventions like airbags, ABS, VSC, F/awd and now especially TCS have helped to keep all that in check.
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Re: What else changed? [wwest] by kdhspyder
Apr 07, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 06, 2009 10:32 pm)

Yes precisely..
 
Now that you've had your say on this subject in this forum like you have in every forum you participate in ... let it go. We've heard this same rant over and over and over and over and over and ..... in every FWD vehicle that comes along.
 
We understand your pov. Not that many agree with it but we understand where you stand.
 
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