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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 9:24 am) |
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Apr 06, 2009 8:26 am) I hoping that the unspecified changes include an honest center console, not the retarded tray that's there (which is really a step back from gen 5 - I own a 2002 V6 SE), and maybe do away from the cheapo plastic pocket on the back of the front seats, among other things. Not much to ask, but you are right, people are biting on the tasty 2009 deals out there, so no reason for many to buy the 2010. I, on the other hand, already plotting for deals that will enavitably come around for the 2010 models. I avoided the first 2 years on purpose after my sour experience with the 2002. Solid mechanically (120k on it now), but the hardware/brakes/sunroof problems sucked. Always have to give them 2-3 years to work out the issues, always. When my wife was up for a car in 2007, I had no choice but to go for the last year of the previous gen Accord. Being the last year production, it has 20k miles on it and not a single issue. The deal was tasty and I punished Toyota for the experience on the 2002 Camry. Before any of you Malibu\Taurus fanboys out there decide to gang-up and comment on what I said or toyota's "slipping quality": Put your money where your mouth is - go and buy yourself a Malibu/Taurus, and when you got 120k miles on it, come back and report, please. |
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Replying to: 1lpn (Apr 06, 2009 12:06 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 06, 2009 12:25 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 05, 2009 7:48 pm)
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Replying to: 1lpn (Apr 06, 2009 12:06 pm) I have no complaints about the backlit trim - strange they are changing it. I may be buying a 2010 or 2011, so I'm curious. |
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 12:38 pm) I hope I am not openning this thread for a flame war, I just wanted to pre-empt the Malibu/Taurus/Fusion fanboys boasting about mileage this and feature that when they never owned the thing. |
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Replying to: acco20 (Apr 06, 2009 3:45 pm) I know I'd take understeer any day. Front wheels lose traction, the natural tendency is to immediately ease up on the gas. Result: car slows down, weight transfers to the front, and traction (and steering control) regained. With oversteer, you have to be very quick with the steering wheel to keep the rear end from coming around!
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 8:29 am) There is a good, SOLID, foundation for dethrottling the engine of a FWD or F/awd the very instant wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed conditions is detected. Many of today's RWD and R/awd vehicles also have TC, Traction Control, but the design parameters often differ in that while the moderate braking of a spinning of slipping wheel will still be virtually INSTANTANEOUS, the engine dethrottling will often be delayed. The dethrottling delay will sometimes be for multiple seconds and in some cases only a few hundred milliseconds. Why...?? With loss of traction, wheelspin/slip due to too much engine torque for roadbed traction conditions on a RWD or R/awd the driver still has the ability to maintain directional control. Not so with FWD or F/awd, therefore the design engineers must do their utmost to prevent an extended period of loss of traction on one of these vehicles. So I stand by my statement, while FWD & F/awd vehicles are being made less unsafe via the specific TCS implementation they remain patently UNSAFE. ons. Most learned or experienced 4WD and 4X4 drivers are well aware that it is patently UNSAFE to drive, even on a low traction surface, above dead slow with the front drive engaged. Regretably there is no FWD or F/awd with automatic transaxle vehicle wherein the front drive can be disengaged, nor even QUICKLY disengaged(***) when conditions warrant. *** Of course you could, as the AAA recommends, quickly shift the transaxle into neutral to alleviate the potential from loss of control due to engine compression braking.
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Replying to: 210delray (Apr 06, 2009 5:48 pm) |
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