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Re: What else changed? [dudleyr]
by acdii
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Apr 06, 2009 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: dudleyr (Apr 06, 2009 5:47 am)
FWD patently unsafe.
Thats hysterical.
Based on what criteria I myself wonder. AFAIC the Camry handles well, I dont have any issues with it and where the "patently unsafe" comment came from is beyond me. The Prius OTOH does have a few flaws that I deamed unsafe, poor traction control that shut down the motor, very bad when trying to accelerate into traffic and there happens to be some gravel or sand on the road, not very happy when that happened. Over 23000 miles in the Camry, and not once do I have a complaint on its handling. It is what it is, a family sedan, if you want a sports car, get a frikin sports car.
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- #142 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [acdii]
by thegraduate
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Apr 06, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 8:29 am)
Some people need a family sedan for practical reasons, but still want some sporty driving, or dare I say, fun behind the wheel of their car. For them, there are other options (Mazda 6, Accord, Altima). The Camry is a sofa on wheels; relaxed, comfortable, and a great place for a nap. 
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- #143 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [thegraduate]
by acdii
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Apr 06, 2009 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 06, 2009 9:06 am)
OTOH, taking a sofa and putting it through a course can be a heck of a lot more exhilarating than a sports car. Coming from a background driving Crown Vics, the Camry is a fun car to put through its paces. You haven't had a heart pounding experience until you drift a Camry through a open road course. I did it last year up in WI just for fun, I also had the thrill of having the first Hybrid on that track.
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- #144 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [acdii]
by thegraduate
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Apr 06, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 9:24 am)
I can't imagine the non-defeatable VSC Toyota has would let you have much fun?
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- #145 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [mcdawgg]
by 1lpn
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Apr 06, 2009 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Apr 06, 2009 8:26 am)
From what I am reading, the backlit trim around the stereo and hvac is gone, the stereo is updated (among other things, with matching optitron look), new window switches, and other unspecified trim changes.
I hoping that the unspecified changes include an honest center console, not the retarded tray that's there (which is really a step back from gen 5 - I own a 2002 V6 SE), and maybe do away from the cheapo plastic pocket on the back of the front seats, among other things.
Not much to ask, but you are right, people are biting on the tasty 2009 deals out there, so no reason for many to buy the 2010.
I, on the other hand, already plotting for deals that will enavitably come around for the 2010 models. I avoided the first 2 years on purpose after my sour experience with the 2002. Solid mechanically (120k on it now), but the hardware/brakes/sunroof problems sucked. Always have to give them 2-3 years to work out the issues, always.
When my wife was up for a car in 2007, I had no choice but to go for the last year of the previous gen Accord. Being the last year production, it has 20k miles on it and not a single issue. The deal was tasty and I punished Toyota for the experience on the 2002 Camry.
Before any of you Malibu\Taurus fanboys out there decide to gang-up and comment on what I said or toyota's "slipping quality": Put your money where your mouth is - go and buy yourself a Malibu/Taurus, and when you got 120k miles on it, come back and report, please.
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- #146 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [1lpn]
by thegraduate
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Apr 06, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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Replying to: 1lpn (Apr 06, 2009 12:06 pm)
Do many Chevy and Ford owners chime in often, here? It's a dedicated Toyota Camry forum. Just curious; I don't check in here too often (I own an Accord, but am not suffering from "Honda-Vision," as I like to check out what else is out there).
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- #147 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [thegraduate]
by acdii
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Apr 06, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Apr 06, 2009 12:25 pm)
I have a few Fords in my garage as well as the Camry. The Crown Vic/Grand Marquis cars are always tough dependable cars with good quality in them, they are just dated. With the exception of the 2007 Town Car, they are all over 120K miles on them and still going strong. The 1995 Grand marquis looks like hell since it has some weather damage to it, but on the coldest days, starts right up, only work put into it was new steering components, they took a beating on the crappy roads around here. My F30 is 10 years old, has 133K on it, no major repairs other than ball joints, and it is a 1 tom Behemoth that takes a beating. None of the Fords we have has had a trip back to the dealer for anything.
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Re: What else changed? [wwest]
by acco20
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Apr 06, 2009 (3:45 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Apr 05, 2009 7:48 pm)
wwest....I value almost all of your comments, usually backed up by your personal experience, but that statement about front wheel drive is below your usual expert response. Now don't go off quoting some silly results of testing using some dangerous moves performed on some test track by some people trying to prove the danger of front wheel drive. Those findings are about as acurate as the fact "even a blind squirrel will find a nut now and then", true,,,,but not real world. JMHO.
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- #149 of 540
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Re: What else changed? [1lpn]
by mcdawgg
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Apr 06, 2009 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: 1lpn (Apr 06, 2009 12:06 pm)
Well, my 2007 I-4 manual has been perfect, except that I had the computer reprogrammed for the occassional hesitation on acceleration. It only took the dealer 25 minutes, and the car has been perfect ever since. Most of the mechanicals on this car are tried and true. The engine is the same as the 2002-2006, and the tranny (5 manual) is also the same. Many other major components are also the same. So I had no reason to fear a first year car, and I do not regret it. With the 2010, it is a new engine, but I still wouldn't have a problem buying one. I have had another first year total redesign Toyota from 2001, and had no problems except for a few rattles that were fixed. Honda, etc. is the same way.
I have no complaints about the backlit trim - strange they are changing it. I may be buying a 2010 or 2011, so I'm curious.
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Re: What else changed? [acdii]
by 1lpn
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Apr 06, 2009 (5:25 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (Apr 06, 2009 12:38 pm)
The Panther platform is one their better efforts, though, as you said, a bit dated.
I hope I am not openning this thread for a flame war, I just wanted to pre-empt the Malibu/Taurus/Fusion fanboys boasting about mileage this and feature that when they never owned the thing.
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