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#6 of 111 Re: 2009 X5 Diesel - Questions and Comments [coupedncal]
Oct 28, 2008 (11:25 pm)
Spent some time talking to a bmw employee in L.A. who is getting the X5 diesel for himself as his next car and shared the following... thinks the cost will be a $2000 premium over a 3.0 gas. My sales rep says they are quoting $3000 over in training classes so this is probably cost and markup???. He drove one on a track and said it had all the umph of the 4.8 but not the high end power but pretty darn nice. Noise was not an issue. Expected MPG in the high 20s perhaps 25-27 not bad. So I'm sold on the idea of the engine but the issue is that it will sell at MSRP and have no real support expected for the residual and money factor so the lease quote was running well over $1100 for a "medium" equipped truck. I can get the same gas 3.0 for about $800 a month or less versus $1100+ I can pay for a lot of gas with the savings not to mention the diesel fuel is more per gallon as well. Frankly as much as I want to wait for the diesel, the cost differential makes it really hard to swallow.
#7 of 111 Re: 2009 X5 Diesel - Questions and Comments [kinjachris]
Oct 29, 2008 (10:18 pm)
Your points are well taken. Diesel has significant advantages but most sales are leases and lease terms are not expected to be favorable to this new model .... unless the economy continues to be soft and car companies give up and offer attractive terms. My ideal car would be a bare bone X5 with manual tranny and no electronic gimmics for a substantial price cut. One can hope.
#8 of 111 Dealer says X5 diesels are on the way
Nov 10, 2008 (5:45 pm)
One of the San Diego dealers claim the X5 diesels are on the way. He wanted me to come in and make selection. I told him to let me know when they are ready for a test drive. I am going to make my decision based on several criteria between the Mercedes GL or ML320 CDi and the X5. I am not taking a short around the block test drive as I did with the Sequoia. I want to make sure the vehicle has the torque to pull my Interstate grade without downshifting as the gas guzzling Sequoia does.
I will NOT pay MSRP in this recession no matter how much I like the vehicle. The price of diesel should make dealing a bit easier. Though in San Diego today diesel and premium are very close in price. The other big advantage to diesel is 30% more range than the gas guzzler models. The X5 diesel has about 20% more torque than the V8 X5. The V8 is a lot more expensive than the V6 or the Diesel. No more gas guzzlers for me, ever.
#9 of 111 X5 xDrive 35d = $52,025 (including destination)
Nov 11, 2008 (9:15 pm)
That's a $4100 premium OVER the X5 3.0 which is more than I am willing to pay. Even with the improved fuel economy how long is it take to recoup the premium cost? Sure there's the tax break (unconfirmed to be $1300) but we barely drive more than 8500 miles a year so it simply won't make financial sense.
Will wait to see what Audi decides to charge for the Q7 diesel and if all else fails... um, a MB-320CDI maybe? Nah, not desperate enough to buy a MB.
#10 of 111 Re: X5 xDrive 35d = $52,025 (including destination) [pkh540]
Nov 12, 2008 (6:45 am)
That's a $4100 premium OVER the X5 3.0 which is more than I am willing to pay
You get the performance of the V8 with better economy than their premium gas guzzling 6. And the much longer range is a big seller for me. Nothing compares to the torque of a diesel in the mountains.
Curious have you driven the X5 to compare with the MB ML? I would like to try them back to back before I decide. The Audi is just not very attractive to my eyes. The Mercedes is not great looking. The ML has the best comfort in the second row of any of the SUVs I have checked out. We have a good BMW dealer closer to us than any of the others. I am not going to give up my Sequoia until I get exactly what I want in a diesel SUV.
Nov 12, 2008 (11:57 am)
To answer to your question about the comarison of X5 to ML 320CDI. I just recently drove the Ml 320CDI. My wife were considering the ML 320 CDI for t he longest time, as the BMW X5 diesel was not available. After driving it, I don't like the 1-2 second hesitation from the turbo lag. It sucks. You step on it and it does not move. In my opinion it is a safety thing. Imagine you want to make a split decision manouver and you cant. or you do and it is too late as it took the car that one second to get out of the way.
BMW X5 has twin turbo which compensates for the turbo lag. Plus it has more HP and torge. If you look att he 0-60 difference between the two, BMW X5 is faster by 1 second which is a lot. Might no seem like it but it is.
Also according to their books, X5 is more fuel efficient in the city and highway(bonus). Just look up bmw.ca and all the specs are there
Back in August I placed an order for the new X5 diesel and I should be getting the car at the beginning of Dec. I am confident the car will perform much better than the ML and I can't wait. I will update this comment when i get the car and let you know if it was worth the wait.
Spoke to my sales man from BMW who had the truck on the track and said it performs just as the 4.8I. 0-80 km/h is instant.
Nov 12, 2008 (6:38 pm)
Dealer I talked to had allocations expected to arrive in "early to mid december" and he was "underpromising and over delivering" as he quoted me. (translation, he expects to see the first units in the first week of December but can't guarantee it. Not too far off now.
They are going to have to get real on the cost issue however. Not paying a premium no matter what. Sure the first couple will go as a novelty premium just because they are new....then......
so lets do a little best case math.
15,000 miles / 22 mpg = 682 gallons per year gas
15,000 / 27 (generous) = 555 gals diesel
= 127 gallons/yr savings
682 gals * $3.00 per gallon = $2046
555 gals * $3.30 per gallon (in LA) = $1831.50
savings ~ $214.50 per year
OK, I can hear someone saying it will probably be better "in town" but its going to have to do a LOT better in town to start making the cost differential gap close.
So lets just be honest and say its a cheap 4.8 liter option with a high chance of not being any savings at all in the long run.
#14 of 111 Re: X5 xDrive 35d = $52,025 (including destination) [gagrice]
Nov 12, 2008 (7:07 pm)
Actually, was invited by BMW to drive the X5 (4.8 w/sport pkg) at a local driving event where they also had an ML 500, XC90 sport and Lexus GX 470. Without question, the BMW handled head and shoulders above the rest. I have a 540 and felt the X5 was every bit as amazing in its handling. I vowed I would buy one at some point to replace our Land Cruiser and was patiently waiting for the diesel.
But after doing the math, it just doesn't make financial sense (even with my BMW CCA discount and tax incentive)... BTW, was wrong about that it's $1550... and then no spare w/third row, run-flats... but that's more than you asked about!
#15 of 111 Re: X5 xDrive 35d = $52,025 (including destination) [pkh540]
Nov 14, 2008 (9:41 am)
Thanks for the hands on review. I agree it will be tough to justify the X5 at all for me. I just would like to do some cross country touring and I am known to head out across less than well traveled roads. Some dirt roads. That eliminates any of the sedans for me. My Sequoia is fine for most just a gas hog with a short range. The no spare is a down side for sure. You just never know when you will be where your cell will not reach AAA. Is a spare available without the 3rd row? I have no interest in hauling that many people anyway.
I drove a used GL320 CDI and was not thrilled with the shifting of the transmission. It was very comfortable. I did not like the GX470 that we test drove before buying the Sequoia. I have friends with the X5s and all like them. Thanks again for the response.