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Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited Smartkey Problems?

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2004 Grand Cherokee Limited Electrical/Smartkey Issues? by trailrated39
Mar 25, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Hello all,
 
I'm driving a 2004 Grand Cherokee Limited with approx. 95,000 miles. About two days ago I was out in the mountains and got back to my car from a hike and she would start, run for about two seconds and then stall out from what seemed to be a lack of fuel. All of my gauges were flat dead. After about two hours of messing around, I managed to get it started by spraying down the connections to the alternator with some contact cleaner. I don't know why this worked. The car ran normally to get me home.
 
The next day, I had to go back to that same spot to look for something I had lost (all normal getting there), and when I got back in the car and started it; it did the same thing once, then started and ran. All was fine for about five miles, and then my gauges started going haywire. They would work normally and then drop off randomly, and not in unison. Various random warning lights were going on and off. Also, my drivers side window and door locks stopped functioning at this point, but would work when the gauges were working. There were a few other bugs, such as the cruise control and steering wheel mounted stereo controls not working. I immediately went home and parked it. Upon trying to start it again, it did the same thing...started strong, ran for about two seconds, then died from what seems to be a lack of fuel.
 
I borrowed a code reader and got two codes which read as follows:
 
P1696 - No CCD/J1850 Message From TCM. "No CCD/J1850 messages received from the electronic transmission control module (EATX) or the Asian transmission controller)"
 
P1686 - No SKIM BUS Messages Received. "No CCD/J1850 messages received from the Smart Key Immobilizer Module (SKIM)"
 
The smart key system seems to be the issue. My understanding is that the anti-theft system is operated by shutting off the fuel pumps, so this makes sense. Additionally I get the icon of a key with a line through it for on the dash when trying to start the car.
 
What confuses me is the other issues showing up, the gauges dancing and various, seemingly unrelated electrical bugs. Could this be a result of issues with the ground strap? Could a loose ground strap be the root of all of the issues? If so, where could I find information on repairing it? My Haynes service manual is completely devoid of information on this.
 
Thank you for your time and input.
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Re: 2004 Grand Cherokee Limited Electrical/Smartkey Issues? [trailrated39] by 52132
Apr 03, 2008 (3:44 pm)
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Replying to: trailrated39 (Mar 25, 2008 11:28 am)

It might be the battery, Jeeps are very sensitive to battery voltage. Also,the alternator produces unsteady volts, and the battery smooths the unsteady volts out. So if you have a bad connection with the battery posts, then you can see the problem. The Smart Key Imobalizer works by electronically cutting out both the fuel pump and ceasing spark plug firing. I also tried starting the engine with a spare key that does not have the Smart Key chip, the engine started and the SKIS indicator lamp (the orange light with the key and the line going through it) came on. After a few seconds, the engine stalled. It could be the ground strap, but I dought it. It could also be the dreaded computer failure. Hope this helps.
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Re: 2004 Grand Cherokee Limited Electrical/Smartkey Issues? [trailrated39] by tuggajb
Apr 03, 2008 (6:22 pm)
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Replying to: trailrated39 (Mar 25, 2008 11:28 am)

battery or battery cables need cleaning
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Re: 2004 Grand Cherokee Limited Electrical/Smartkey Issues? [tuggajb] by eltipo
Apr 04, 2008 (10:14 am)
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Replying to: tuggajb (Apr 03, 2008 6:22 pm)

I had the same pblem with my '06 Laredo. It is the ignition switch. It is not recognizing your key correctly. The car basically thinks it is being stolen and shuts down. The dealer changed my ignition switch in Nov. of '06 and I have not had the same problem since.
 
Fortunately for myself the Jeep was still under warranty. I can't imagine this is cheap.
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Re: 2004 Grand Cherokee Limited Electrical/Smartkey Issues? [eltipo] by 52132
Apr 04, 2008 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: eltipo (Apr 04, 2008 10:14 am)

It might be the ignition switch, but the Jeep is still driveable. If it was the ignition switch, it would just shut down after a few seconds after starting the engine.
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SKIM Module by billv1
Sep 18, 2008 (5:52 pm)
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I have a 2001 JGC and one day I went to start the Jeep and all the dash board icons were lit up along with all my gauges being dead. I hit the fuse box and it all came back on but for a limited time. If the iginition key is turned to ACC, all the gauges work. It is when the Jeep is started lights will light up and gauges go dead. I took the Jeep to the Local Auto Zone to be tested and it reported the SKIM MODULE needed replaced. I ordered the SKIM MODULE thru Jeep and replaced it myself. The lights are still lit up and gauges dead but an additional problem as popped up----the Jeep will start but will die after a few seconds. Does the KEY have to be reprogrammed to match the NEW SKIM module or could the problem be something else?
 
Any help would be greatly assisted. Thanks..
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skim keys and wiring by grfox
Sep 29, 2008 (1:32 pm)
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as for the key it needs to be re programed(all of your keys) with the DRB scann tool. also if it does read the key the key light should flash. found that in my owers manuel. if the key light comes on and stays on the skim is not connceting to the pcm. i have been worken on my wifes 2000 jeep with the same problems and found the c1 connector at the pcm was loose. if i wiggle it everything works. does anyone know if jeep sells the conncetor? it does not lock on right..
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Re: SKIM Module [billv1] by tlindsay
Dec 25, 2008 (2:13 pm)
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Replying to: billv1 (Sep 18, 2008 5:52 pm)

Did you have any luck with this? I'm having the same problems. And it is driving me crazy!
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Re: SKIM Module [tlindsay] by Namhil
Dec 26, 2008 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: tlindsay (Dec 25, 2008 2:13 pm)

Disconnect the negative pole from the Battery for about 5 minutes and also the Fuse that says: "PCM Battery" (fuse box near the battery), and put everything again after 5 minutes. Then with the key in the OFF position, press the C/T and Reset buttons on the Overhead Console (EVIC), Turn the Ignition Switch to the ON Position (not Start the Engine), and release both buttons, and then a message will appear on the Overhead Console Screen, and tell you if the Test has been passed or not.
 
It helped me with the same problem, and solved it today.
 
Hope this works for you too.
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Can the SKIM system be bypassed. by mange1234
Mar 09, 2009 (12:24 pm)
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Hey,
 
Is there any way to bypass the SKIM system. Seems to me that this system is just a rip off to make Jeep owners spend large sums of money for keys, programming and additional services that would not be required otherwise.
 
Some bean counter must have thhought this one up to squeeze more money out of the consumer.
 
Regards,
 
Mike

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