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I agree by greenacura
Jun 23, 2009 (8:31 am)
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I agree with draz2 on all the items except the audio system. I think the maxima was superior in this area. While shopping around, the maxima was always about $125 -140 less per month (on a 3 year lease) than the TL so I took a chance with the maxima. For me, the maxima short falls were worth saving the $4,500+ over the lease. I'm hoping the maxima will grow on me more, right now I think my old 2007 TL was superior & I would have bought it if the residual value wasn't so high. I hope I feel the same way about the maxima 3 years from now.
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Re: I agree [greenacura] by draz2
Jun 23, 2009 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: greenacura (Jun 23, 2009 8:31 am)

>>>all the items except the audio system. I think the maxima was superior in this area.<<< Are you sure you're talking about the '09 TL with tech? The one that gets you the superb 440 watt ELS audio system? I came from a Lexus with the Mark Levinson adio system.And while that was great, the ELS system in the TL is simply in a different league. It's almost as good as an audiophile home system (and while clearly nothing in a car environment can approach a good home audiophile system, the ELS comes darn close). I agree though, if I was leasing I might have gone a different direction as leases on the TL are not that great. As a purchase, however, I'm convinced the TL is grossly underpriced.
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Audio Systems by greenacura
Jun 23, 2009 (8:47 am)
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I was comparing the Maxima to the 2009 TL Audio system. Maybe I didn't get enough time to fully appreciate the '09 TL Audio. I can say that Maxima is superior to audio in my old 2007 TL. I also agree that the 2009 TL is going to have much better resale value than the 2009 Maxima. Just curious draz2, what made you leave Lexus. It seems to me that the Lexus people never change brands. The ES is a fine car but wasn't leasing competively. I had thought about purchasing a used ES with nav and Mark Levinson audio. Lexus has a great pre-owned warranty but the dealers didn't have any used in the color & options I wanted.
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TL Front End by poodog13
Jun 23, 2009 (9:56 am)
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Add me to the group that find the front-end redesign of the TL a complete deal-breaker. While I drive an 07 Maxima, I really wanted the 07 TL but could not talk the price down far enough. Had always planned on going back to the TL for my next car.
 
Now, every time I see an 09 TL on the road, I just cringe. I keep looking for the head of an 18th century Frenchman to stick out from under the guillotine on the front of the car.
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Re: TL Front End [poodog13] by greenacura
Jun 23, 2009 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: poodog13 (Jun 23, 2009 9:56 am)

How has your 2007 Maxima been? Good reliability? Has the maint. costs been reasonable? I found my '07 Acura TL was very expensive to maintain. Regarding the 2009 TL, sure the front end is terrible, but I didn't even like the look from the side or rear. It is a terrible design, I wonder if Acura will make a change soon.
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Re: Audio Systems [greenacura] by draz2
Jun 24, 2009 (5:21 am)
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Replying to: greenacura (Jun 23, 2009 8:47 am)

I left the Lexus 'family' after three years with the '07 ES350 because I wanted something that was a lot more fun to drive. The ES was a wonderful car for what it was....which is nothing more than a conveyance. I wanted something with better braking, a more linear linkage between engine and transmission and a tighter, more communicative suspension. The TL fit that bill perfectly. And I'm an acknowledged gadget freak so I immediately fell in love with all the wonderful tech features in the TL as well. As to the front end of the car, I love it. I think it looks distinctive, elegant and aggressive (in a good way). Do any of you remember the public's response when the CTS or BMW's Chris Bangle designs were introduced? I do. Universal outrage and disgust don't even come close to describing the reaction from the automobile cogniscenti. What is their reaction now? And how have sales been for BMW and the CTS?
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Re: TL Front End [greenacura] by poodog13
Jun 24, 2009 (8:25 am)
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Replying to: greenacura (Jun 23, 2009 10:29 am)

How has your 2007 Maxima been? Good reliability? Has the maint. costs been reasonable?
 
Maintenance has not been too bad. I went with the SL rather than the SE specifically to cut down on some of the maintenance costs, particularly the tires (SL's have slightly wider profile, a bit closer to mainstream tire size, and therefore cheaper to replace). I had to have the armrest console cover and the bracket securing the driver's visor replaced due to breaks in plastic latches, but they were done under warranty and I now know to be a bit more careful with these components. Brake replacements were a bit of a shock but the higher end brakes on performance sedans always are.
 
The only other large maintenance costs have been the recommended 15k incremental maintenance packages. I made the mistake at 15k of not asking the dealership exactly what they included in their 15k maint plan, and turns out it was more than the factory recommendation. Scaled back to recommended services only at 30k, and started to do some of the basic stuff myself (in-cabin filters) at 45k now that the car is out of warranty.
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Re: Audio Systems [draz2] by tonycd
Jun 24, 2009 (7:50 pm)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 24, 2009 5:21 am)

draz2, I'm glad you like your car. Or, alternatively, I'm sorry you aren't confident enough in your liking of your car to avoid flaming anyone who likes one of its principal competitors.
 
I don't have a horse in this race, personally. But I was a great admirer of the '04-'08 TL, test drove it and recently test drove the new Maxima.
 
I'm sure the new TL is dynamically excellent. But I can't bring myself to bother test-driving it because I personally believe that Acura butchered the styling beyond redemption, inside and out. I agree that the Maxima has some downscale touches inside, like the middle of the dash, but they're easily topped (bottomed?) by the plastic "aluminum" junk counter that is the TL dash, not to mention the nigh-on-incomprehensible clutter of buttons that stick out in the middle like a tumor.
 
On the move, the CVT is a little odd at times, but it is responsive in all modes and returns decent mileage for such a powerful car. And while the engine is a bit crude, it does have a really entertaining feral roar at full throttle. In sum, compared to the TL, it's a car that's good enough with looks that don't make me throw up.
 
One footnote on Bangle: You might want to choose a more favorable example. If you check again, you'll note that BMW has quietly kicked Bangle upstairs and is backing off his edgier styling in models like the 3 and the 7 just as fast as their Germanic ego permits.
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Re: Audio Systems [tonycd] by draz2
Jun 25, 2009 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jun 24, 2009 7:50 pm)

Tony, Tony, Tony I hardly know where to begin. I can certainly understand your dislike of the TL's exterior (read: beak) but the interior has garnered nothing but universal praise. Holy crap, man, it won Wards Automotive Best Interior this year.The "vast array of buttons" you refer to in incredibly intuitive to use and is easily understood with about an hour behind the wheel. As to the CVT...it is awful at all speeds and it has no place whatsoever in a car with pretenses to being "entry level high end," no less in a car that they badge with their comical acronym "4DSC." The Maxima's nav screen is decidedly inferior to that in the TL and the nav system itself is much slower and doesn't provide anywhere near as much useful information as the TL's. It doesn't have navtraffic or weather and it's audio system can't hold a candle to the ELS system in the TL. You can call the engine intrusive noise level "feral" if that makes you feel better, but the fact is that it's just plain loud...and not in a particularly sonorous way. The entire interior just screams "NISSAN" (which has never made a decent interior in any of their cars and is thus, not a compliment) and it doesn't feel as spacious or roomy as the TL from the driver's seat. So while I agree that its a nice looking car from the outside that has excellent steering, brakes and ride characteristics it fails miserably in its transmission, engine noise, tech features, inferior navi system/screen and audio.
 
As to the Bangle issue you really need to do your homework. Under his design leadership, BMW sales and market share jumped dramatically, both in the USA and in Europe. He was not "kicked" anywhere...he wanted the change.
 
Final note. Why are Acura's resale values the highest in the business and Nissan's mid to bottom pack?
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Re: Audio Systems [draz2] by poodog13
Jun 25, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: draz2 (Jun 25, 2009 6:01 am)

Final note. Why are Acura's resale values the highest in the business and Nissan's mid to bottom pack?
 
My guess: Because those resale values haven't yet been diminished by how ugly the new TL truly is.

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