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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 15, 2008 3:56 pm) In "intelligent" car buying the first thing to decide is the money you want to spend... Then you go out and look for best "perceived" value you can get for the Money. This month I decided to spend ~40K to 42K on a vehicle... so I test drove following 2009 Maxima 2008 TL (2009 were not available to test drive) 2008 RL (Was/is selling for 40K here in SoCal) 2008 Audi A6 3.2 FWD 2008 BMW 528 2008 Lexus GS 350 (41K for base) 2008 Infiniti M35 (Can be had for < 40K ) 2008 MB E350 (Base is selling for 41K in So cal) Genesis and 2008 Acura MDX They all are very different cars...not in same class..but they share one thing...Price point & that makes them competitor This is the reason why G8 & Genesis will not compete with S550 but Maxima will compete with TL..and too some extent with G35. There is lot more cross shopping going on.. Auto makers dont like it hence they try to differentiate the cars... One way to do it not offer features/warrenty/service etc in one brand/car No AWD in MAX Vs G/M Better warrenty for G/M RWD in G/M (If you care) Dealer experience for G/M (I remember in Phoenix Midway Infiniti dealer coming to my office to pick up car for service, leave the loaner car. After work I go and pickup my car/drop off loaner car. All for $40.00 oil change...Totally worth it FOR ME) So its all about percieved value for the Money. MAX and TL are competitors they serve same market place. Acura service/prestige is not significantly different then Nissan/Honda Perception of Lexus/Infiniti is differnt then Toyota/Nissan BTW..Nissan & Infiniti do not share cars.. Altima is NOT G35 Max is not M35 they are different animals Acura seems to be looking for a place/identity...All they have is Accord platform and it shows. Infiniti as a brand has started doing well AFTER IT DISASSOCIATED itself with Nissan.
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Replying to: rkurlander (Sep 13, 2008 7:20 am) LEMON LAW WILL APPLY |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 15, 2008 7:24 am) |
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For those of you defending the Maxima as a worthy contender for the TL because of price, think of the compliment to Nissan when you say that a car by their base company can compete with another company's top tier vehicle line simply because of price. Now that I think about it, I feel better about driving the Maxima, thanks. My lack of gullibility worked, I did not go for the fufu Acura and still got a car that in your opinion is comparable. I think I will celebrate, double Johnnie Walker Blue coming up. And I got a bigger back seat and roomier trunk to boot, what a deal. Again thanks....
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Sep 16, 2008 7:57 am) I also think that a power to cost based decision automatically makes the G8 a great choice, only drawback is the interior only comes in black so that is a no-go for me. I would get the room I need, good looks, reviews seem to be favorable, and rear wheel drive V8 punch with killer exhaust sound like only an America car can generate (the blender on steroid sound of the Jap cars does not quite do it for me). Ok enough of that, so what car did you finally decide to get? I would go with the A6 or GS 350 but that is just me.
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 16, 2008 2:00 pm) But to each their own and everybody has different priorities. So I guess I'll say "you're welcome".
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 16, 2008 2:35 pm) On another note, I just never figured that comparability between cars would be based on price and thought it was more towards what the manufacturer is trying to accomplish. I considered the Honda Accord in looking for my 4 door sedan but found it to be bland, spiritless, and uninspiring when compared with the Maxima. Great value, but just not exiting enough. |
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 16, 2008 2:58 pm)
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 16, 2008 2:58 pm) On the performance front, BMW has always used Clydesdales to measure from, whereas most Japanese manufacturers appear to use Shetland Ponies. You may recall that Acura/Honda, Mazda, Nissan and several other Japanese manufacturers had to restate (lower) their horspeower ratings a couple of years ago when they were independently found to be overstated. BMW, Mercedes and Porsche would never have tried that, even on "gullible" Americans. The Japs tried to make it seem like a new SAE measurement standard was being implemented, but the fact is, they were caught cheating. And even now I still think the European horses are bigger than the Japanese ones. Another big part of the performance difference is BMW's RWD setup and excellent drivetrain efficiency. Anything over about 200 horspeower in FWD doesn't add much to performance. Witness my 190hp 1995 Maxima that was tested at 6.6 - an extra 100 hp (and 600 lbs) only saves you 0.3 seconds. When BMW puts their 300 hp in a RWD 335i, they get sub 5 second 0-60. It's almost impossible to get a similar sized FWD car down to under 6 seconds, let alone 5. We'll have to see how Acura does with AWD in the 300hp TL, but that adds even more weight and AWD has at least 5-8% lower drivetrain efficiency than RWD. |
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