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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
#383 of 684 Re: out4cat, rkurlander, cyberpunk [out4cat]
Sep 16, 2008 (4:49 am)
Am I using "fuzzy logic", or are you guilty of being a "gullible Amercian" as you put it?
The issue isn't what the Japanese car companies might have intended with the creation and marketing of their "premium" divisions. The issue is the reality of what reasonably intelligent consumers might consider and compare when actually shopping for a car. And if you have up to $35-$40k+/- to spend on a entry level luxury performance sedan, a hell of a lot of cars come into play. For some, FWD/RWD/AWD will be an important consideration. For others techno do-dads will take priority over driving dynamics or vice-versa. But to suggest anyone considering the Nissan Maxima shouldn't be comparing it to an Acura TL sounds like you've been brainwashed. I did that very comparison twice and in 1995 the Maxima SE 5-speed won and in 2004 the TL 6-speed won. So go ahead and hold up a blinder as you pass the BMW dealership, lest you be tempted by a 328i that is roughly the same price as a "non-Infiniti" Maxima. But rather than question my logic, perhaps you should reassess your own gullibility?
P.S. Regarding the 911's competition in 2005, there really wasn't anything, given my priorities at the time. Namely, serious sports car (not GT) that could serve as a family car with my daughters in the back seat. On the other hand, in 2002, when a two seater was acceptable, I had no hesitation about buying an S2000 instead of a Boxster, Z4 or SLK just because it happened to be called a Honda and not an Acura.
#384 of 684 Re: out4cat, rkurlander, cyberpunk [out4cat]
Sep 16, 2008 (8:57 am)
Copying your first line Out4cat...I have to disagree.
In "intelligent" car buying the first thing to decide is the money you want to spend...
Then you go out and look for best "perceived" value you can get for the Money.
This month I decided to spend ~40K to 42K on a vehicle... so I test drove following
2008 TL (2009 were not available to test drive)
2008 RL (Was/is selling for 40K here in SoCal)
2008 Audi A6 3.2 FWD
2008 BMW 528
2008 Lexus GS 350 (41K for base)
2008 Infiniti M35 (Can be had for < 40K ) 2008 MB E350 (Base is selling for 41K in So cal) Genesis and 2008 Acura MDX They all are very different cars...not in same class..but they share one thing...Price point & that makes them competitor This is the reason why G8 & Genesis will not compete with S550 but Maxima will compete with TL..and too some extent with G35. There is lot more cross shopping going on.. Auto makers dont like it hence they try to differentiate the cars... One way to do it not offer features/warrenty/service etc in one brand/car No AWD in MAX Vs G/M Better warrenty for G/M RWD in G/M (If you care) Dealer experience for G/M (I remember in Phoenix Midway Infiniti dealer coming to my office to pick up car for service, leave the loaner car. After work I go and pickup my car/drop off loaner car. All for $40.00 oil change...Totally worth it FOR ME) So its all about percieved value for the Money. MAX and TL are competitors they serve same market place. Acura service/prestige is not significantly different then Nissan/Honda Perception of Lexus/Infiniti is differnt then Toyota/Nissan BTW..Nissan & Infiniti do not share cars.. Altima is NOT G35 Max is not M35 they are different animals Acura seems to be looking for a place/identity...All they have is Accord platform and it shows. Infiniti as a brand has started doing well AFTER IT DISASSOCIATED itself with Nissan.
#385 of 684 Re: 2009 Maxima Problems [rkurlander]
Sep 16, 2008 (9:49 am)
3 TIMES SAME PROBLEM= LEMON
LEMON LAW WILL APPLY
#386 of 684 Re: out4cat, rkurlander, cyberpunk [habitat1]
Sep 16, 2008 (10:18 am)
05 5 SPEED AUTO RATED 26- GET 28-35
#387 of 684 Maxima vs TL
Sep 16, 2008 (3:00 pm)
For those of you defending the Maxima as a worthy contender for the TL because of price, think of the compliment to Nissan when you say that a car by their base company can compete with another company's top tier vehicle line simply because of price. Now that I think about it, I feel better about driving the Maxima, thanks. My lack of gullibility worked, I did not go for the fufu Acura and still got a car that in your opinion is comparable. I think I will celebrate, double Johnnie Walker Blue coming up. And I got a bigger back seat and roomier trunk to boot, what a deal. Again thanks....
#388 of 684 Re: out4cat, rkurlander, cyberpunk [sanjaysdca]
Sep 16, 2008 (3:23 pm)
WOW you left out the new Audi A5, were you only looking for 4 doors? I must reiterate compliment to Nissan, you even considered it along with the BMW 528 (2.8 Liter vs Maxima 3.5 with more power). Also with the TL and RL (I don't like the styling on this one). We do agree with the Lexus GS compatibility. I know Infinity and Nissan do not share cars but they seem to have one for one side by side versions in each company, even the SUVs have side by side versions except for the Pathfinder. The one thing that difference of opinions points out is that we don't all think alike and therefore car companies keep trying to guess what we are looking for. I have never gone looking for a car based on price although I am limited by available funds. I pick the features that I like/need (4 door vs 2 door/ Fluffy ride vs road feel/ American vs import / and one subjective thing that some have left out -the overall looks of the car and whether or not it catches my eye). I think that one of the most distinctive cars out there today in 2 dr market is the Audi A5/S5, overall I think BMW has some catching up to do although I realize the Audi will NOT unseat the BMW.
I also think that a power to cost based decision automatically makes the G8 a great choice, only drawback is the interior only comes in black so that is a no-go for me. I would get the room I need, good looks, reviews seem to be favorable, and rear wheel drive V8 punch with killer exhaust sound like only an America car can generate (the blender on steroid sound of the Jap cars does not quite do it for me).
Ok enough of that, so what car did you finally decide to get? I would go with the A6 or GS 350 but that is just me.
#389 of 684 Re: Maxima vs TL [out4cat]
Sep 16, 2008 (3:35 pm)
Don't be too quick to thank me. I didn't necessarily say the Maxima would win any competition by my scoring. I merely said that, at that price level, I would compare the Maxima to the TL and BMW 328i and a few others. At which point I might very well come to a different conclusion than you did. The TL offers more upscale interior / luxury and the 328i is clearly the champ in performance and driving dynamics. I just wouldn't give too many bonus points to the TL for being an Acura instead of a Honda.
But to each their own and everybody has different priorities. So I guess I'll say "you're welcome".
#390 of 684 Re: Maxima vs TL [habitat1]
Sep 16, 2008 (3:58 pm)
Not fair, you caught me in the middle of my Johnnie Walker Blue with that response. In looking at the BMW 328i, it has a 2.8 liter V6, no doubt a fine automobile but anemic in HP (230 BMW vs 290 for Maxima/280 for Acura) yet it can keep the 0-60 time at 6.3 compatible with the other 2 cars, performance wise a champ as you call it. I just find the car to be smaller than both the Tl and Acura if space is a decision making consideration. That is why I passed up the BMW, no I did not just walk by it with blinders on, I had to take space into consideration, otherwise I would have a Audi A5.
On another note, I just never figured that comparability between cars would be based on price and thought it was more towards what the manufacturer is trying to accomplish. I considered the Honda Accord in looking for my 4 door sedan but found it to be bland, spiritless, and uninspiring when compared with the Maxima. Great value, but just not exiting enough.
#391 of 684 Re: Maxima vs TL [out4cat]
Sep 16, 2008 (7:59 pm)
Wow! A new BMW with a 2.8 liter V6! Must be a rare find.
Sep 17, 2008 (1:43 am)
Is the Spare Tyre full size alloy or Steel