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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 15, 2008 3:36 am) Honda - Accord, Civic, Pilot - No Acura RL rival Acura - TL, TSX, MDX And on the other side of the street Nissan - Altima, Maxima - No Q35/45 rival Infinity - G35, M35/45 And even on the other side of the street Toyota - Camry, Avalon Lexus - ES 350, GS 350/450 (outgoing Maxima even tried to imitate this car's body style). Acura, and rightfully so, was not intending on going against the Maxima with their TL, no matter how much you try to say that they did in order to give you reasons to pick on the Maxima, it is fuzzy logic. The rivalry/compatibility is not solely based on FWD/RWD, horsepower, or sticker price, it is based on the vehicle's intended target market based on where it ranks among the entire lineup of each respective car company. The buyer can compare it to whatever they want to but each car has its target market Nissan vs Honda and Infinity vs Acura (apples to apples and oranges to oranges). One thing to consider is that Nisan did not give its Maxima all-wheel drive like the TL, that feature is for the Infinity G35 M35/45, your own "A $40k+ SH-AWD TL might stretch the comparison" backs up this non-fuzzy logic. Just think Cadillac (FWD) still competes with Benz and BMW models (RWD), it is not about that. Cadillac XLR 80k 320 H.P still competes with Benz SL550 97K 382 H.P. Using your way of thinking, the new Pontiac G8, 400 H.P. RWD would compete with the Benz SL 550, we all know that is not even comprehensible. Don't worry, even with all your comments, I have still not begun to hate the TL, I think it is a nice car. Oh my god, using your way of thinking, who would the Porsche 911 compete with, it is rear engine, on yeah my bad the VW bug is rear engine too. |
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Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 15, 2008 4:59 am) My 04 Max, 5 speed (non CVT), 265 H.P. would get me above 30 MPG at 75 M.P.H. My 07 Max, 6 speed with CVT, 255 H.P., can't get me past 24 MPG at 70-75 M.P.H. I guess I will have to wait to hit 10k miles and all of the sudden it will become efficient, I don't expect that to happen at all. Besides being awkward, it drains HP and gas mileage. |
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http://www.cardomain.com/member_pages/show_image.pl?bg=CCCCFF&image=http://memim- age.cardomain.com/member_images/8/web/3140000-3140999/3140872_4_full.jpg?530312-- 237 So if you look at the sticker on this vehicle, it shows "Auto-dimming Driver-side Outside Mirror," is Nissan for real, on a 37K plus Sport Package car only the driver-side has the auto dim in 09, my $32,803 non-Nav 07 SE has both outside mirrors with auto-dim feature, that is just not right... I also noticed a picture of the car on the sticker with the steering wheel turned all the way to the left and the paddle shifter stayed in place at the 3 and 9 o'clock positions, is this right? you turn the wheel and the paddles stay put? Someone needs to clue Nissan in on the fact that it is all about the details when it comes to premium vehicles, something obviously not happening at Nissan. |
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 15, 2008 3:56 pm) The issue isn't what the Japanese car companies might have intended with the creation and marketing of their "premium" divisions. The issue is the reality of what reasonably intelligent consumers might consider and compare when actually shopping for a car. And if you have up to $35-$40k+/- to spend on a entry level luxury performance sedan, a hell of a lot of cars come into play. For some, FWD/RWD/AWD will be an important consideration. For others techno do-dads will take priority over driving dynamics or vice-versa. But to suggest anyone considering the Nissan Maxima shouldn't be comparing it to an Acura TL sounds like you've been brainwashed. I did that very comparison twice and in 1995 the Maxima SE 5-speed won and in 2004 the TL 6-speed won. So go ahead and hold up a blinder as you pass the BMW dealership, lest you be tempted by a 328i that is roughly the same price as a "non-Infiniti" Maxima. But rather than question my logic, perhaps you should reassess your own gullibility?  P.S. Regarding the 911's competition in 2005, there really wasn't anything, given my priorities at the time. Namely, serious sports car (not GT) that could serve as a family car with my daughters in the back seat. On the other hand, in 2002, when a two seater was acceptable, I had no hesitation about buying an S2000 instead of a Boxster, Z4 or SLK just because it happened to be called a Honda and not an Acura. |
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 15, 2008 3:56 pm) In "intelligent" car buying the first thing to decide is the money you want to spend... Then you go out and look for best "perceived" value you can get for the Money. This month I decided to spend ~40K to 42K on a vehicle... so I test drove following 2009 Maxima 2008 TL (2009 were not available to test drive) 2008 RL (Was/is selling for 40K here in SoCal) 2008 Audi A6 3.2 FWD 2008 BMW 528 2008 Lexus GS 350 (41K for base) 2008 Infiniti M35 (Can be had for < 40K ) 2008 MB E350 (Base is selling for 41K in So cal) Genesis and 2008 Acura MDX They all are very different cars...not in same class..but they share one thing...Price point & that makes them competitor This is the reason why G8 & Genesis will not compete with S550 but Maxima will compete with TL..and too some extent with G35. There is lot more cross shopping going on.. Auto makers dont like it hence they try to differentiate the cars... One way to do it not offer features/warrenty/service etc in one brand/car No AWD in MAX Vs G/M Better warrenty for G/M RWD in G/M (If you care) Dealer experience for G/M (I remember in Phoenix Midway Infiniti dealer coming to my office to pick up car for service, leave the loaner car. After work I go and pickup my car/drop off loaner car. All for $40.00 oil change...Totally worth it FOR ME) So its all about percieved value for the Money. MAX and TL are competitors they serve same market place. Acura service/prestige is not significantly different then Nissan/Honda Perception of Lexus/Infiniti is differnt then Toyota/Nissan BTW..Nissan & Infiniti do not share cars.. Altima is NOT G35 Max is not M35 they are different animals Acura seems to be looking for a place/identity...All they have is Accord platform and it shows. Infiniti as a brand has started doing well AFTER IT DISASSOCIATED itself with Nissan.
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Replying to: rkurlander (Sep 13, 2008 7:20 am) LEMON LAW WILL APPLY |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 15, 2008 7:24 am) |
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For those of you defending the Maxima as a worthy contender for the TL because of price, think of the compliment to Nissan when you say that a car by their base company can compete with another company's top tier vehicle line simply because of price. Now that I think about it, I feel better about driving the Maxima, thanks. My lack of gullibility worked, I did not go for the fufu Acura and still got a car that in your opinion is comparable. I think I will celebrate, double Johnnie Walker Blue coming up. And I got a bigger back seat and roomier trunk to boot, what a deal. Again thanks....
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Sep 16, 2008 7:57 am) I also think that a power to cost based decision automatically makes the G8 a great choice, only drawback is the interior only comes in black so that is a no-go for me. I would get the room I need, good looks, reviews seem to be favorable, and rear wheel drive V8 punch with killer exhaust sound like only an America car can generate (the blender on steroid sound of the Jap cars does not quite do it for me). Ok enough of that, so what car did you finally decide to get? I would go with the A6 or GS 350 but that is just me.
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 16, 2008 2:00 pm) But to each their own and everybody has different priorities. So I guess I'll say "you're welcome".
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