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Replying to: cyberpunk (Sep 10, 2008 5:49 pm) On your opinion that a CVT is "a heck of a lot of fun to drive", we clearly define fun differently. A CVT has NO "friggin" driver involvement whatsoever. How in the hell can that be much "fun" or "sporty"? On your opinion that the CVT is "progress in automotive technology". I'll grant you that compared to a old style poorly engineered Nissan 4-speed automatic. But, as much as I'm not a fan of automatics, BMW's 6-speeds and Lexus 8-speeds are better performing AND more fuel efficient than Nissan's CVT. And if the metric for progress is "sport", everyone from BMW to Audi to VW and others have developed far superior SMG's and DSG's that can be set to automatic mode when preferable. Nissan tells you humm a fake shift, if you want to remember what it was like driving an old Maxima with a manual transmssion. For the record, I don't have a "personal" dog in this hunt. I am now fortunate enough to have a 911S as a third car and not currently looking to replace my TL 6-speed. But I still would like to see, for the benefit of others that can't or don't want to dish out $45k+ for a 335i 6-speed, a decent, more affordable "sporty" sedan alternative from Nissan. I guess I'm taking a stand for the sake of others who, hopefully, don't get all of their sports jollies from watching ESPN while eating pizza and all of their driving jollies from humming shifts to the drone of a CVT. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 10, 2008 2:26 am)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Sep 10, 2008 5:25 am) I can accept that. And believe me, driving is not my primary source of excitement. But, as old4cat said with less rant than me, if Nissan wants to talk the "sport" talk, they should walk the walk. Here's an offer, get Nissan to relabel and advertise the Maxima a 4DCC ("4-Door Commuter Car), and I will exit this forum never to be seen again. That's exactly what a CVT Maxima is - and a pretty darn good one at that, with all the techno do-dads.
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Replying to: teddy7117 (Sep 11, 2008 5:15 am) I don't think stoplight drag racing is a valid metric for driving enthusiasm. But since you brought it up, the 2009 Maxima with 290hp and a CVT manages to go 0-60 in a whopping 0.3 seconds faster than my 1995 Maxima with 190hp and a 5-speed manual. And my TL 6-speed with only 258hp will leave you squinting at my taillights by at least a similar margin. Granted, FWD is a significant limitation compared to RWD, but the CVT transmssion definitely has its negative impact on performance. But beyond stoplight drag racing, the satisfaction of shifting your own gears and having direct control of the cars transmission and rpms is not uniquely limited to RWD. If push came to shove, I'd probably rather have my 1995 Maxima SE 5-speed to take on a drive through the twisties than a current BMW 3 series with an automatic transmission. Ultimate performace would go to the BMW, fun and driver involvement to the Maxima. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 11, 2008 5:24 am) No, I have seen people leave forums before over disagreements and when that happens the forums are diminished and sometimes die. We need differences of opinions here to make it interesting. Even though I disagree with you on this car you certainly have the right to your opinion. My feeling is that all cars are compromises to some extent and the Max is just what it is....and isn't. Have you driven the new Mazda 6? Sounds like it would be to your liking. |
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 09, 2008 5:06 pm) One of my cars is red...On a scale of 1 (easy) to 10 (hard) to keep clean, I'd vote the Sunset Red as a 7. |
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Replying to: out4cat (Sep 09, 2008 4:48 pm) |
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Replying to: eric106 (Sep 11, 2008 2:02 am) 1) Air conditioned driver seat 2) Dual moonroofs 3) Rear seat air/radio controls in the armrest 4) LED "mood" lights in the front door handles and ceiling 5) 7" Color monitor w/rear view backup camera 6) Rear sunshade 7) Auto up/down feature on all 4 windows. Nissan's website does a pretty good job of showing you the four different levels of interior accomodations (S, SV, Sport, and the Premium). |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 11, 2008 4:56 am) Everyone is welcome here as long as opinions are expressed civilly and respectfully. It's easy enough to ignore posts we wish were not here. Some of us need to practice that a bit. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Sep 11, 2008 4:56 am) Based on what could you possibly make the claim that the BMW and Lexus transmissions you mentioned above are more fuel-efficient transmissions than Nissan's CVT? I submit that you couldn't possibly know this, or make this statement, based on the published (or even real-world) MPG these cars achieve, as a little variable called the engine influences MPG just a bit. I think I can sum up your beef against the '09 Maxima as being that a) there is no manual tranmission available and b) Nissan's marketing spin refers to it as a 4DSC. I'll grant you this: If you are looking for a sports car with a manual tranmission, the '09 Maxima is not for you. That is what it is not , but in no way, whatsoever, does that take away from everything that the '09 Maxima is. As of last year, manual transmissions accounted for less than 9% of all cars sold in the US. That number is heading south, and many estimates expect it to be around 6% within the next 4 years. I know of no product that is successful at being all things for all people. I can hardly knock Nissan for focusing their energies on the 91-94% of the US market, and foregoing the expense of catering to the rest. And Nissan did this by providing one of the best automatic tranmissions on the market, the best CVT on the market, and a transmission that also gives the driver the ability to simulate 6 gear ratios (should one desire). I do enjoy manual transmissions. If I were in the market for either a sports car or a car with a manual tranmission, I would not have purchased the Maxima. However, any lost sales that Nissan may experience due to the Maxima not having a manual tranmission will be a statistically insignificant number. For its class (the flagship sporty sedan for a non-luxury badge), the '09 Maxima is the best overall package on the market. But wait - don't bother responding. As the host of this forum just reminded us, we've got Ignore options, and you're now on mine. |
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