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Nissan Maxima, Sedan
#248 of 684 Re: Small 2009 Maxima? [flightnurse]
Aug 25, 2008 (2:16 pm)
Let me be as clear as possible. A CVT transmission and a "4-Door Sports Car" are mutually exclusive. Period. If Nissan is going to label the Max as such, they should at least have the integrity to offer it in a proper manual transmission. A 1995 190hp Maxima with a 5-speed manual was capable of 0-60 in 6.6 seconds. A 2009 290hp Maxima with a CVT manages it in a whopping 0.3 seconds faster. During that time, the 328i to 335i went from 6.6 to 4.9 seconds. Nissan certainly knows how to piss away 100 horsepower - and your gas money - by using a CVT transmission in an obese FWD platform.
I happen to like the new Max for what it is, for the price there isn't a car in its league (the TL is higher priced) so again, why do you keep comparing a BMW to a MAX?
Please understand, my issue isn't with what you like, it's with the devolution of the Maxima relative to its competition as a competent sport sedan. As for pricing, re-check your figures. The Maxima I saw tipped the scales at $37.5k. That's HIGHER than a fully loaded TL w/ Nav. Comparable to a decently equiped 328i 6-speed. And way the hell higher than the top of the line Accord, Camry or Altima. As for comparing the Maxima to a 3 series, I did that because in 1995, so did Road and Track and Car and Driver when they named it Car of the Year. It is unfortunate that now it is actually much closer in price to the BMW, but much closer to an an overpriced Camry in driving dynamics and sports appeal.
...so the car companies built what is going to sell.
Reminder, the Maxima LOST about 80% of it's sales from 1995 to 2008. Nissan lost its passion for keeping the Maxima true to the 4-DSC label and brand loyalty went into the toilet. The CVT-only 2009 model isn't going to get the enthusaist back. And it doesn't matter that only 10-15% of the 1995's were SE models with manual transmissions. That's the model that won awards and got a ton of free positive press in the process. The halo effect was huge. Not anymore.
I would rather have a car that looks, drives well and can be fun to drive when needed be.
Nothing wrong with that, but....a CVT is "fun to drive"? Sorry for my old fart narrow mindedness, but I can't buy that any more than I can accept that sychronized swimming and twirling streamers are Olympic "sports" but baseball has been dropped.
Let me make an honest suggestion. You don't need to think M3 or M5 is the alternative. Go out an test drive a $37.5k Maxima against a similarly priced, well equiped 328i 6-speed and then give me your honest driving impressions. The Maxima may have a few more do-dads. And a spec sheet that shows it has 60 more horsepower. But, if you have the heart to be honest, I think you will find that the BMW will be noticably quicker, exceptionally better in handling, steering and braking, 15-20% more fuel efficient, and, at least by my definition of "sport" a HELL of a lot more fun to drive.
I'm not a BMW salesman, not even an owner. Just a former Maxima owner that feels like Nissan let a great thing get away.
#249 of 684 OT Nonsense
Aug 26, 2008 (6:40 am)
Can you move your rants to another board? Some of us feel comfortable making our own decisions about what car to purchase. we don't want to be called names. We're looking for relevant information from other people in our situation. Clearly you are not considering purchasing a 2009 Maxima. We don't care about your opinion on how the vehicle's being marketed. Oh, and we're not interested in hearing about how great your 15-20 year old cars are.
#250 of 684 Re: OT Nonsense [fthaler]
Aug 26, 2008 (1:29 pm)
Skip my posts if you (or "we") don't want to read them. But I think 155k miles in a Maxima entitles me to an opinion just as much as you, "we", or whoever.
#251 of 684 09 Maxima Riddle
Aug 26, 2008 (2:47 pm)
What do you get when you mix the following things?
- The front grill of a Scion TC/Honda Ridge line/previous Pathfinder
- The hood of a past generation Ford Taurus
- The fender flares of an old Isuzu Rodeo/Old Chevy Blazer
- The trunk and tail of a Toyota Camry/Altima/Lexus ES
- Side window design and interior design of a Lexus ES
- A/C vents from current and past Pontiac
- Same seats as the Altima
DO YOU GIVE UP? You get the new 09 MAXIMA
The previous model at least resembled the Lexus GS series, mid range luxury, as opposed to the ES, entry level series resembled by the current model.
As the owner of an 07 Maxima with CVT, fuel guzzling machine, that is the worst transmission ever put into a car. My 07 has one extra gear compared to the 04 I traded in, it also has 10 fewer horsepower and 18 inch wheels vs. 17 inches and still gets me 4 to 5 fewer miles to the gallon than the 04, go figure.
All of that coupled with 5 of the eight colors available being some shade of black, the fact that the sport package restricts you to the grey seats and not the beige seats, and some tacky trim around the shifter and doors, and you get the idea that the new Maxima is so off the mark it is a miracle why someone would buy/lease one. Nissan needs to realize that the flagship car of a company should afford the buyer more choices in trim, color, package combinations, and interior apparel. Oh and they even changed the 4 tip exhaust pipes for the 2 tip pipes, I give up. This model resembles the Altima sibling more so than any previous model, why pay the difference.
#252 of 684 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER
Aug 27, 2008 (2:43 pm)
I just got back from the nissan dealership and they offered me a deal. How does this sound??
2009 NISSAN MAXIMA SV
DARK SLATE, CHARCOAL INTERIOR
CARPET FLOOR MATS
TRUNK ORGANIZER W/EMERGENCY KIT
36,900.00 OUT THE DOOR SING AND DRIVE
TAX AND TAG TRANSFER INCLUDED IN PRICE.
SOOO DEAL OR NO DEAL???
#253 of 684 Re: 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER [user421229]
Aug 27, 2008 (5:03 pm)
Seems like a fairly good deal, what was your purchase price excluding TTL? I just came home today with the following:
2009 NISSAN MAXIMA SV
Winter Frost, Latte Interior
Premium + Technology package
Carpet Floor mats
Trunk Organzier w/ Emergency Kit
Lojack (dealer install these automatically on all their cars)
$35,200 excluding TTL.
This was demo model. They just didn't have this car in stock in NJ and I didn't feel like waiting for one to come in with these specs. However they did an excellent job on the detail and you would have never known this car had any mileage on it.
They were not offering any finance incentives on the 09 Maxima, so i used my credit union 4.5%. I was not big on this CVT engine during the test drive, especially after playing with those paddle shifters. However after getting on the open road a little bit this car really can accelerate. This is coming from someone that drives a G35 Coupe.
#254 of 684 Re: 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER [wvuphoenix]
Aug 27, 2008 (6:22 pm)
"This is coming from someone that drives a G35 Coupe."
Why didn't you wait for the 09 G37 Sedan with the 7 speed transmission?
Fixes the only real problem with the G35 (excessive highway RPM).
#255 of 684 Re: 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER [user421229]
Aug 27, 2008 (6:28 pm)
36,900.00 OUT THE DOOR SING AND DRIVE
The question is how much of a discount off MSRP are you getting?
The out the door price can vary widely depending on tax rate, dealer fees, etc.
I am guessing the MSRP is close to your out the door price?
So you got the tax & title for free?
#256 of 684 Re: 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER [tom17]
Aug 27, 2008 (8:40 pm)
To be honest, I just am not a big fan of the styling of the new G35 sedan or coupes...... I'm a first gen coupe owner and I just wish infiniti made the car a little bit more aggressive. I get sedan loaners when I bring my car in for service and the car is just underwhelming from a visual standpoint.
#257 of 684 Re: 09 MAXIMA DEALERSHIP OFFER [tom17]
Aug 27, 2008 (8:48 pm)
no thats pretty much it...i mean i am financing with my credit union 4.99 and all i have to do is cut the check and thats..all taxes and fees and b.s. included.