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#211 of 459 Re: From today's Automotive News... [steve_]
Oct 25, 2011 (9:06 pm)
We'll find out in 2012, but my guess is that Toyota is slipping, even if you factor in the disasters. The same can be said for Honda. It's about product, and GM, VW and others have gotten more competitive. Toyota and Honda seemed invincible not too long ago, but their competitors have closed the gap. I wouldn't count Toyota and Honda out, because they could prove to be resilient, but it's hardly a forgone conclusion that they'll reclaim their positions.
Let's see how the '12 camry is received, and how competitive the next Corolla is. At Honda, we should observe how quickly they correct the new Civic's demerits, and how well the '13 Accord compares with the competition.
#212 of 459 Re: From today's Automotive News... [hpmctorque]
Oct 25, 2011 (9:15 pm)
I think the key is VW has World class cars and Toyota only has US class cars. I don't see Toyota making huge inroads into China. They still don't like Japan. Without the Chinese market you cannot be number one in the World.
#213 of 459 Re: From today's Automotive News... [steve_]
Oct 26, 2011 (6:52 am)
New jetta must be selling well, upped the base price $500 in one year.
#214 of 459 Re: From today's Automotive News... [gagrice]
Oct 26, 2011 (12:33 pm)
I think the key is VW has World class cars and Toyota only has US class cars
Personally, I don't think VW has anywhere near world class reliability. I think there may be a different factor playing in their favor in China - the Chinese hate the Japanese.
#215 of 459 Re: From today's Automotive News... [berri]
Oct 26, 2011 (2:46 pm)
I think VW and Skoda both have a very good reputation in the EU. The Golf is top rated in Europe for reliability in its class.
I believe there is still a lot of animosity toward Japan by the Chinese. Also VW has been building and selling cars in China for over 30 years. Where Toyota threw all their eggs into the USA basket and now we are a declining market as China is a growing market. Last projection I read was 18 million for China this year. I doubt we ever match our peak of 2000 when we bought 17.4 million new vehicles.
Add to that VW builds the only diesel cars that are affordable to the average US buyer. If they get their reliability on track they will continue their record gains over the last few years. Toyota now has competition from Ford and GM for appliance type cars.
#218 of 459 Re: VW Passat #1 in Motor Trend test [gagrice]
Oct 26, 2011 (5:07 pm)
But remember, it's the newest and buff magazines usually gravitate to that. I've actually heard a few VW drivers lament that it is losing its German identity.
#219 of 459 Re: VW Passat #1 in Motor Trend test [berri]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:10 am)
I've actually heard a few VW drivers lament that it is losing its German identity.
That's because it's no longer a German car. It was designed for the American market. The old Passat (B6) was never a big seller as it was too expensive and too European.
The recently Americanized Jetta is selling well. VW NA hopes the same the Passat.