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Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?

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#178 of 194
GT-R vs Z06 by revmatt
Jul 30, 2008 (11:01 pm)
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...out the door- $81,000.00 for the GT-R, $84,000.00 for the fully loaded Vette... after government rape fees, etc. Delivery mid-late June 08. Approx. 2,500 miles on the GT-R. A couple of trips to Vegas from Northern CA provided a great chance to break her in fairly well!
There are now videos on utube showing similar results. Z06s whoppin' the new GT-R.
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Re: GT-R vs Z06 [revmatt] by lemmer
Jul 31, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: revmatt (Jul 30, 2008 11:01 pm)

I previously gave people a hard time about using YouTube as "proof" that a GT-R was faster than a Z06 on a track, but more reliable evidence has piled up in favor of the GT-R. I still think it seems a little overhyped, and maybe not my cup of tea, but it is clearly brutally fast around a track.
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Re: GT-R vs Z06 [revmatt] by bigmclargehuge
Jul 31, 2008 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: revmatt (Jul 30, 2008 11:01 pm)

Which YouTube videos were you referring to?
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GT-R vs Z06 on youtube by revmatt
Jul 31, 2008 (6:49 pm)
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AddedNew GTR R35 VS Corvette C6 Z06 Race in Oman. Uncut Version
06:26 From: Oman911Turbo
Views: 7,089
 
 
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Re: GT-R vs Z06 on youtube [revmatt] by bigmclargehuge
Aug 01, 2008 (4:23 pm)
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Replying to: revmatt (Jul 31, 2008 6:49 pm)

Everyone knows the Z06 has a higher trap speed. That video proves nothing new. And I don't think anyone who owned a GT-R would be so elated from those results.
 
No US-spec GT-Rs were released on the West Coast prior to July 11th, except the promotional #1.
 
If you do own a GT-R (which I doubt) the likely reason you can't track it as fast as a Z06 is your skill driving an AWD car.
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Elated or tired of auto-mags anti-US bias? by revmatt
Aug 01, 2008 (10:33 pm)
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I am soooo tired of auto-mags hyping everything BUT US autos. The latest MT and R & T are perfect examples. Where are the 60 ft times, 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times? The GT-R is a very sporty family car. Getting an early one is due to my Dads old connections via the IADAC. (Independent Auto-Dealers Assoc) He was their executive director and lobbyist for a spell.
My wife wants me to drive a car with a back seat. I prefer the V-8 rwd exceptionally sporty appearance and performance/feel of the Z06. There's no accounting for taste... she drives a 2005 Jag S type R.
 
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Re: Elated or tired of auto-mags anti-US bias? [revmatt] by bigmclargehuge
Aug 03, 2008 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: revmatt (Aug 01, 2008 10:33 pm)

You're still not describing the GT-R accurately. Its not 'sporty' by any means, and certainly doesn't fit the description of 'family car.' Its a touring car. And a bang/buck borderline supercar.
 
Its not hype, its called data:
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0508_ct_GTRZ06911_chart.pdf
 
Same old stuff we already knew. If you want straight-line bragging rights, the Z06 always was the way to go.
 
And if any car has taken a lot of crap from the existence of the GT-R, its Porsche, not Chevy. The 997T came in last here, mind you. Its not an anti-American review.
 
If you expected the stock GT-R to be a 1/4-mile monster, you would have bought the wrong car. Hang out at NAGTROC, and I'm sure no knowledgeable person would have advised you to do that.
 
Why would you have bought a car you didn't prefer anyway just because your wife told you to? Keep the Mustang for cry-it-out-loud. Or get the Camaro when it comes out if that's your cup of tea.
 
But when you say 'the GT-R CANNOT keep up', thats probably more driver style than the car's ability. You can't drive it like a RWD car. It took me a long time switching between drivetrain types to get the confidence to toss and power through corners. Its really not the same style at all.
 
Its not feasible that with every magazine putting the GT-R around almost any track with corners faster than a Z06 is all hype. The Stig wasn't paid 2 years in advance to sandbag the Z06, because one day the GT-R might be sent to Top Gear. The Z06 is a 3-year old model. It was hot stuff when it came out, but it was bound to get beat at some point.
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Re: Elated or tired of auto-mags anti-US bias? [bigmclargehuge] by tedebear
Aug 03, 2008 (10:51 am)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Aug 03, 2008 8:10 am)

It's interesting that no one mentions the Viper ACR, although it finished ahead of both the GT-R and Z06, according to Road & Track. Perhaps that's the reason.
 
Here's the article: 4-Track-Free-for-All
 
Here's a quote from the article: "The results are clear. You want to go to the track? Buy a Viper ACR and destroy the competition for roughly $100,000. Want to amaze your friends by defying physics? Get a Nissan GT-R."
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Re: ACR [tedebear] by bigmclargehuge
Aug 03, 2008 (3:10 pm)
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Replying to: tedebear (Aug 03, 2008 10:51 am)

From C&D:
 
the shocks have 13 compression settings and 18 rebound settings. Jeff Reece, an attending Chrysler engineer, suggested relaxing them back a notch or two for our undulating venue while jacking the ride height a quarter-inch to keep the body off the bump stops. As the Viper became more pliable, our courage returned and lap times fell. Car setup is in the ACR’s lesson plan, too.
 
Because every test the ACR wins, Chrysler sends an engineer to setup the suspension mid-test for optimum lap times. Its not like you get an engineer in the trunk at puchase. If the ACR was going to be the fastest with a single setup, they probably wouldn't have sent the engineer.
 
The drivers said that if the GT2 came with a Porsche engineer, the GT2 would have done much better as well. So putting things in perspective, that's why the ACR doesn't always get the credit.
 
Even for having a stock setup, the GT-R nearly keeps up with the 'tuned' ACR in the long-track test (Willow Springs) below.
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0908_cvr_willowsprings.pdf
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0908_cvr_streetsofwillow.pdf
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0908_cvr_autocross.pdf
 
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0908_cvr_oval.pdf
 
That's why its so impressive. On the high-speed courses its among the fastest stock setups out there. And keeps up on all the other courses as well.
 
It doesn't win everything, it has a niche.

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