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Automotive News & Views Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?
194 messages, Last post on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 10, 2008 3:12 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (Mar 12, 2008 5:09 am) It makes me laugh though, because Nissan is complaining about losing money this year because of a poor economy (like most other manufacturers), and yet here they have a product who's demand way outstrips its supply. I guarantee if they shifted production to 10x the number of GT-Rs, they would all sell. I do hope that other companies follow the GT-R/Corvette model and realize the price of a supercar doesn't have to be astronomical. When we finally have options to choose from, like the new NSX, Supra, ZR1, next-gen Turbo, etc. in the same performance catagory perhaps the cheap supercar demand will spread out and prices will come down.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 12, 2008 5:35 am) |
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Replying to: pmc4 (Mar 10, 2008 2:03 pm) I think there are at least two more UK mags who tested the GT-R, look up youtube. One did a M3/911 turbo/GT-R comparison and I forgot the other one which has a M3 in it as well.
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Replying to: nwng (Mar 12, 2008 7:36 am) LOL. Yeah, lets go with 'relatively cheap'. I do indeed think the Z06 is a great bang/buck car. Offering supercar performance for 1/2-1/10 the price. If offered for the same price, the GT-R is in the same catagory (being modest, IMHO its a next-generation car). don't forget GT-R is not a brand new model, skylines were always in limited production and demand premiums. Indeed, and oddly enough the R32-R34 weighed in between 3500-3700lbs. And those were considered the best handling cars of their time when they were introduced too. And even with only 280-330hp, they were among the fastest due to their awesome AWD traction. So this one isn't drastically different, just a few updates. It trades the TT I-6 for the TT V-6. This one getting 50% more power and better economy. Add a few interior and exterior changes, and you have a return of the best handling car in its class. Just because it was never sold in the US prior to the R35 doesn't mean it wasn't a Japanese equiv to the 911. It has been since what... 1989? I think there are at least two more UK mags who tested the GT-R, look up youtube. One did a M3/911 turbo/GT-R comparison and I forgot the other one which has a M3 in it as well. I had them in my Autoblog link, but its just easier to go to the source.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 12, 2008 8:51 am) IIRC, the 1990 R32 NISMO version was 3400-something, but the R34s did get close to 3700. As for horsepower, once the factory detuning was corrected they put up about the same numbers that the R35 has now (although one would hope that the R35 also has a lot more in tank, given 45% more displacement to work with).
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Replying to: bumpy (Mar 12, 2008 9:20 am) Indeed you are correct about the weight. I unfortunately clicked this page and it looks as if they have the R32 and R34 weights inverted. One certainly could get more power out of the old I-6. I'm a fan of inline engines and wish they had stuck with it actually. Time will tell if they left this V6 some untapped potential. I'd like to see a ~500hp R34 go up against an R35. Would be interesting to see those results.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 12, 2008 9:32 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Mar 12, 2008 10:20 am) I heard it was actually fuel ecomomy related. Much the same with the VR4, the main reason I keep seeing for the Japanese GT class discontinuation was that they couldn't get it to meet future emissions requirements. Such is everything these days... BMW doesn't seem to be doing so bad with the I-6 twin-turbo in a front-midships design.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 12, 2008 10:30 am) I don't think any 3er has ever been front-midships. The 335i doesn't look like it in this pic: 
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