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Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?

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Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge
Apr 24, 2008 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Apr 24, 2008 5:03 am)

Ford GT went for 50% over MSRP as well. Thats what happens when you have tens of thousands of people wanting... hundreds of cars at that price. Frankly, Chevy gets to keep the trophy for availability of supercars. I'm sure they'll make as many ZR1s as are ordered from Kentucky. Same with the Z06.
 
People are willing to pay even more for things deemed 'exclusive', 'classy', etc.
 
Its probably worth it to whomever wants to own one of many automotive legends. Everyone who's driven it so far claims its a very different experience. Maybe just a break from the trivial and mundane is what people are willing to pay for. There's only one way to take it for testdrive. Fork out the cash and hope it fits with my driving style.
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GT-R is sick. Just sick. by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (6:29 am)
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Link to the Sickness
 
Link to the craziness
 
Nurburgring lap time for GT-R: 7:29
 
Note: It does not specify V-spec. What it appears they are saying is that in dry conditions, the base GT-R on stock tires is 9 seconds faster than on wet pavement. Surprised? You shouldn't be. This truly is the start of the next generation of GT cars.
 
The ZR1 will have a tough enough time just catching the base GT-R. And the Z06 is no longer in the same category. Owned. It is also faster than the GT2 on race tires, and demolishes the Turbo. Owned.
 
One can only guess how fast the V-spec will be. 7.10s? 7.00s? Nothing in the works for any company is prepared to compete with the V-spec.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [bigmclargehuge] by skarie
May 01, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 01, 2008 6:29 am)

WOW!
 
After reading that, why on earth would anywon want to purchase a GT2.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [skarie] by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (6:42 am)
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Replying to: skarie (May 01, 2008 6:40 am)

After reading that, why on earth would anywon want to purchase a GT2.
 
To get the 'feel of a real sports car'. Whatever that means. J/K
 
If I were looking to burn that much cash, I'd be waiting to see what the V-spec can churn out.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [skarie] by lemmer
May 01, 2008 (6:49 am)
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Replying to: skarie (May 01, 2008 6:40 am)

Maybe because of this.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (7:59 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 01, 2008 6:49 am)

In the animal kingdom, many hybrid species are sterile.
 
With a sports car, less is more. So why pay 100-200K for one that isn't as fast as a GT-car, nor as light and visceral as an open-air car? They are stuck in the middle where they aren't really notable for anything.
 
I'll buy the GT-R and spend the rest on a KTM X-bow. Superb enjoyment all around. That is a case of 2 being better than one, IMHO.
 
c'mon! lighten up. Porsche will respond.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [bigmclargehuge] by lemmer
May 01, 2008 (11:28 am)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 01, 2008 7:59 am)

For me personally, the prime responsiblity of sports cars is to be fun and exciting to drive on both road and track. The GT-R doesn't sound like much fun. A plain Corvette seems more exciting to drive and a plain Miata seems like more fun. Of course I am just guessing this based on driving Miatas and Vettes and merely reading about the GT-R. Maybe if they came out with a RWD, non-turbo, manual shift, better looking GT-R for half the price I'd be interested. Come to think of it, that sounds a lot like a 350Z.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 01, 2008 11:28 am)

I did like my Corvette, but I can have tons of fun in an AWD turbocharged DCG vehicle too.
 
Actually I can have fun in just about any car. I handbrake-turn and double-foot automatic FWD cars just to get them to take offramps a little quicker. Any car can be fun, and all cars are fun at some point. Except the Prius.
 
The subjective 'fun' is more about whats going on inside the subject (you) than the object (car). There is always something just a little more fun out there. Don't get me wrong, I like light, fast and visceral. But if I go manual shifting, NA, RWD, why not go all the way? The Miata is not 'all the way', IMHO.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [bigmclargehuge] by lemmer
May 01, 2008 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 01, 2008 1:06 pm)

How about a Lotus Elise. Cars don't get much more fun and exciting.
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Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge
May 01, 2008 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 01, 2008 1:13 pm)

I wouldn't turn down an Elise. Thats a true embodiment of 'minimalist design' and is another type of engineering success.
 
But to maintain the topic somewhat, I can have fun whilst being impressed by the object (car) instead of the subject (me). And vice-versa as well. They just don't always have to be the same experience.
 
I think every time I gunned the GT-R's engine and shifted quickly, and then tossed it into a typically unmanageable curve, I would say "wow, what an impressive machine I have acquired." Adrenaline would run, eyes would widen, pulse would quicken. I think that is synonymous with 'fun'.
 
I think it would be like picking up a Barret BMG .50-cal. Sure a bolt-action 30.06 is more of a 'real' experience. But the BMG has so much recoil dampening and muzzle braking that it would kick no more than the 30.06. It doesnt make me a better shooter. But the technology of the gun allows me to fire a 12.7x99 round which I would otherwise be unable to do. And that gives me goosebumps.
 
I think my only solution would be to own both a GT-R and an Elise etc.

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