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#145 of 194 Re: R&T Redux [bumpy] by lemmer

Apr 23, 2008 (6:41 am)

Replying to: bumpy (Apr 22, 2008 7:13 pm)
I've heard that before also, but the Ludvigsen quote was new to me. He wrote an entire article about it in Hemmings Sports and Exotics.

#146 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [Mr_Shiftright] by 07997turbo

Apr 23, 2008 (9:45 am)

Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Mar 08, 2008 8:20 pm)
Have ya looked at the specs and reviews on the 2008 Porsche GT2?....
 
In any event, I would rather roll at 200 MPH in a Porsche hardened roll cage than in a 2000 LB Japanese train wreck.

#147 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [07997turbo] by bigmclargehuge

Apr 23, 2008 (12:17 pm)

Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 23, 2008 9:45 am)
Really? Because 2000lbs sounds pretty good to me. Are you talking the AE86?
 
And you are basing 'train-wreck on'? Probably nothing. Do whatever you want to do, but your criticisms are lacking in value.
 
And yes, I've seen the specs. They were impressive for a whole 5 minutes until the V-Spec started its testing. I'm sure we'll see a repeat of the GT-R/Turbo competition with the GT2/V-Spec competition. With the 3500LB V-Spec getting the performance edge in almost every category.

#148 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [07997turbo] by british_rover

Apr 23, 2008 (1:03 pm)

Replying to: 07997turbo (Apr 23, 2008 9:45 am)
And the GT2 will cost how much??? I haven't seen anything specific but somewhere around 190,000-200,000 dollars is what I heard.
 
I doubt you could pay over 100,000 for a GTR even if you tried to.

#149 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [british_rover] by bigmclargehuge

Apr 23, 2008 (2:05 pm)

Replying to: british_rover (Apr 23, 2008 1:03 pm)
Agreed, but I don't even like diving into the cost aspect, since someone will jump in with the 'feeling' of the Porsche being worth the extra 6-figures... ok fine, we can't measure that.
 
But Porsche designs its cars to be fast around a track, no question about that. Price is a Marketing issue. Brand image is a Marketing issue. Comfort and feel are personal preference and nothing more.
 
But every single Porsche being no superior technically to a Nissan? That's an engineering issue. And that's the only issue I think is valid here.
 
The title "Dethrone the 911 and Z06" is a resounding YES, if used in terms of performance. We know that Nissan will only make 1500 GT-R's for the US. So obviously they aren't trying to bankrupt Porsche or Chevy. They only want the bragging rights of the fastest car. And they succeeded. End.

#150 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [british_rover] by lemmer

Apr 24, 2008 (6:03 am)

Replying to: british_rover (Apr 23, 2008 1:03 pm)
I wouldn't be surprised if people pay over $100K for the first few. People paid way over MSRP for the new Thunderbird just a few of years ago, so I am pretty sure they will for anything perceived as new and hot.

#151 of 194 Re: Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06? [lemmer] by bigmclargehuge

Apr 24, 2008 (6:53 am)

Replying to: lemmer (Apr 24, 2008 6:03 am)
Ford GT went for 50% over MSRP as well. Thats what happens when you have tens of thousands of people wanting... hundreds of cars at that price. Frankly, Chevy gets to keep the trophy for availability of supercars. I'm sure they'll make as many ZR1s as are ordered from Kentucky. Same with the Z06.
 
People are willing to pay even more for things deemed 'exclusive', 'classy', etc.
 
Its probably worth it to whomever wants to own one of many automotive legends. Everyone who's driven it so far claims its a very different experience. Maybe just a break from the trivial and mundane is what people are willing to pay for. There's only one way to take it for testdrive. Fork out the cash and hope it fits with my driving style.

#152 of 194 GT-R is sick. Just sick. by bigmclargehuge

May 01, 2008 (7:29 am)

Link to the Sickness
 
Link to the craziness
 
Nurburgring lap time for GT-R: 7:29
 
Note: It does not specify V-spec. What it appears they are saying is that in dry conditions, the base GT-R on stock tires is 9 seconds faster than on wet pavement. Surprised? You shouldn't be. This truly is the start of the next generation of GT cars.
 
The ZR1 will have a tough enough time just catching the base GT-R. And the Z06 is no longer in the same category. Owned. It is also faster than the GT2 on race tires, and demolishes the Turbo. Owned.
 
One can only guess how fast the V-spec will be. 7.10s? 7.00s? Nothing in the works for any company is prepared to compete with the V-spec.

#153 of 194 Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [bigmclargehuge] by skarie

May 01, 2008 (7:40 am)

Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 01, 2008 7:29 am)
WOW!
 
After reading that, why on earth would anywon want to purchase a GT2.

#154 of 194 Re: GT-R is sick. Just sick. [skarie] by bigmclargehuge

May 01, 2008 (7:42 am)

Replying to: skarie (May 01, 2008 7:40 am)
After reading that, why on earth would anywon want to purchase a GT2.
 
To get the 'feel of a real sports car'. Whatever that means. J/K
 
If I were looking to burn that much cash, I'd be waiting to see what the V-spec can churn out.

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