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Automotive News & Views Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?
194 messages, Last post on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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Replying to: lemmer (Mar 21, 2008 7:21 am) I've actually gone so far to theorize that Porsche has intentionally restricted the Turbo, so that they don't offend the purist base. I have no evidence to that effect though, so its just a theory. I don't deny that each of these cars was just as remarkable when it came out. The Z06 broke new ground for affordable performance. The 997T is actually quite good value next to its Ferrari competition. But its a few years later now, and Nissan wants to play. So for this precise moment in time, that Nissan is my favorite of this bunch, but the ZR-1, C7 Z06, or 998 Porsches might be just as impressive. I have no loyalty, I want them to battle it out so that we all get the best they can manufacture. Kings are born first from conquest, second by inheritance. |
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Replying to: lemmer (Mar 21, 2008 7:21 am)
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Replying to: lemmer (Mar 25, 2008 5:20 am) However, there is still no evidence to suggest that the GT-R would not be faster than these 2 cars on a track, from any source. The degree to which it is faster will have something to do with driver ability and familiarity with the vehicles. Professionals with the GT-R (and Millen is no exception) have come close to Enzo times on tracks already. So were the previous drivers in the Enzo 'sandbagging' so that a year later the GT-R might catch up? Not likely. Even if all 3 were exactly the same speed, the fact that the GT-R can even accomplish that despite being significantly heavier already proves that the other 2 have untapped potential. They technically should be performing better than they are. Its not the driver's fault if the 911T and Z06 can't catch an Enzo. That's Porsche and Chevy's fault, and it might just be physically impossible to do. If a driver in a GT-R can catch an Enzo.... well done Nissan.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 25, 2008 7:19 am) The reason I see a bright future for the GT-R, and the reason I see it as ground-breaking, is that the platform seems to have a great deal of room for development, whereas cars like the Viper and Vette need to be re-invented for the future IMO.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 02, 2008 7:13 am)  Some of these magazine tests should be required to put a disclaimer at the start of the article on how much ad revenue each of the manufacturers in the test contributed.
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Replying to: tedebear (Apr 14, 2008 2:02 pm) |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Apr 02, 2008 7:13 am) Similarly I said a few weeks ago, that it would be interesting to run these cars at a track like Indy, Daytona, or Talladega for 24 hours. See how many miles they can run. In that case you would be including mpg, gearing, cooling design, tire wear, and whether your design to achieve high power is really reliable. I would think in a test like this displacement would matter (less stressed, more cooling area), with a car like the Vette or Viper running the most miles. I know Saab used to tout this type of test (24 hour high-speed run) about 10 years ago in their advertising.
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Replying to: kernick (Apr 15, 2008 1:12 pm) Basically, what you're suggesting is drive them both until they handgrenade? And even then, which one goes first might vary based on certain conditions. So what we really have to do is buy 10 of each and then average which one blew up after how long. But who has a spare million to prove this moot point? I think the point that was being made is that NEITHER is durable enough to take that kind of punishment. Similarly to before, this really isn't the practical kind of test that can determine a real winner between these cars in stock form. Also, its not as simple as displacement. Endurance-race prepped Corvettes and 911s match up quite well. The extra cooling of the larger block is partially counteracted by the extra friction that having extra pistons invariably causes. Displacement is not really the measure I would use to predict a winner.
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