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Automotive News & Views Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?
194 messages, Last post on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 10:59 am) But by the time they've both hit 100mph it looks like the Z06 is accelerating harder than the GT-R. What would be the difference as the cars went to 120mph? 140? 160? I believe this is where you would see the Vette winning any race, because Newtonian physical principles of weight and power still apply. Or if they didn't then maybe Nissan could have just made the GT-R 4,500Lb and 300hp and it would still be "king"? Yes you can find tests and tracks where 1 car is better or equal than another, as the cars are close under most driving conditions. If I wanted to drive fast or race though, I would want the lightest weight and most power. When someone takes these cars to Indy and runs them for 24 hours, then we'd know what's best in this class. What you're reading about in the magazines right now are sprints and 1 lap short races; where's the endurance factors being evaluated? While the GT-R is getting lapped because of a lower top-speed, and going thru tires because of its weight (more pit stops), I'd put my money on a "low-tech" Vette or Viper before I went with a smaller displacement turbo.
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Replying to: kernick (Mar 18, 2008 12:45 pm) No, they did 3 laps, best lap wins. And the GT-R has the best 'best lap'. So technically it is the 'fastest' of the bunch. Even if it exploded into a fireball in a 24-hour race, it is still the fastest. There is no 'best'. Its back to my earlier criticism of endurance races as tests of what makes a fast car. They're not. If you want to win an endurance race, get an Audi R8 diesel when it comes to the US. Fewer stops for fuel = win. Thats how they won LeMans. No shredded tires because of the heavier car. 24-hour races are won and lost on logistics, yes. That would not 'prove' anything.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 1:02 pm) Lightning fast shifts. Nissan's DCG is as good as Ferrari's DSG. AWD that makes Audi's Quattro system seem twitchy. This combinatorial effect has a huge track advantage. There is little chance that the same driver in a Z06, Viper or GT3 can brake, turn, shift as fast as in the GT-R. And with acceleration between the curves almost as good as the others, plus the super-shifting, there's nowhere for the RWD cars to make up time. There is nothing out there to suggest that the GT-R isn't as good as if not better than its competitors on a track. Nothing but stubborness anyway. And has anyone paid attention to the fact that there is likely to be a lighter, more powerful V-spec version of this car? How much so? Oh, you know... the same type of power and weight improvements we saw with the Z06 over the Z51. 70hp and 100lbs is all the difference the Z06 has over the Z51, though it made a tremendous track difference. And the GT-R has a lot more belly fat to lose. So if the V-spec is to the GT-R what the Z06 is to the Z51... GAME OVER. There will be no lapping the V-Spec.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 2:33 pm) The Titanic was "unsinkable". On Paper.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Mar 18, 2008 4:20 pm) That's why its getting such a poor reception. I remember reading lots of "this behemoth will never be able to beat a __________". However many cars have filled in that blank so far, it already has. Whoever likes American muscle, or German sport, or think that 'light means right', is terrified of this Japanese upstart. I'm just commenting on the available evidence. Everyone who's written about this car after having driven it thinks it is of a new generation of GT cars. Anyone can be stubborn and refuse to believe it. |
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Replying to: british_rover (Mar 15, 2008 1:01 pm) Scott |
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