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Automotive News & Views Are The Japanese Poised to Dethrone the 911 AND the Z06?
194 messages, Last post on Nov 24, 2008 at 12:05 PM
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And speaking of disappointments, I think that the entire full-sized truck segment sucks. Yes, that includes the Titan, but that's because its a copy of the Ford F-150. Unederneath the body, they have the same dimensions to the inch. Even the crossmembers are in the exact same places. The engine is more or less Nissan's take on the Triton, which is a gas hog. However, my VQ-series 4.0L V6 Frontier has a higher towing capacity than a Hemi-powered Ram, a 4.6L V-8 F-150, and a 4.8L V8 Silverado. Plus it gets 19/21 mpg and has a 6-speed manual. How is it that Nissan built a better V6 mid-size pickup than Ford and Dodge can build a light-duty V8 full-sized pickup? I used to have a 5.4L Triton Ford and got 12mpg on average. Useless vehicles. They should give up on the Titan. They don't need it. It was a mistake for Nissan and Toyota to ever try to get into this rediculous market for the Urban Cowboys. The Tacoma and the Frontier are easily the best in the mid-size pickup market. Ranger, Dakota, and Colorado need not apply. So lets not get too deep into the Japanese/American argument. Any nation can build a performer if they put the time and effort into it.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 17, 2008 10:28 am) Since nobody corrected this, where did you get this information? One of the mags (car and driver I think) did a comparison of all three of those, and the Z06 was faster both straight line and on the track. Now, they picked the other two ahead of the Z06 for other reasons, but performance wise the Z06 clearly stomped the turbo 911 and the F430 in that comparison.
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Replying to: sensai (Mar 18, 2008 6:18 am) http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=3776 Maybe that's why nobody corrected it. And I was specifically referring to Motor Trend's claims that the 997 Turbo can 0-100km in 3.2 seconds and 1/4-mile in 11.4 seconds. I have yet to see a magazine get the Z06 faster than 3.7 and 11.7. Oddly enough, those numbers are very similar to what Edmunds got with the GT-R.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 6:47 am) The one I saw was definitely from Car and Driver. Not sure of the linking rules on here, so just google search on Z06 vs 911 vs 430 and there are a bunch of links with scans to that article. And yes the Z06 beats them both in that one. One interesting thing is the Z06 and 911 had much lower performance numbers in the Road and Track article while the F430 had much higher numbers compared to the Car and Driver article.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 6:00 am) Was this a misprint? When I was looking for a tow vehicle I didn't get those numbers. The Nismo Frontier best rated towing was in 2WD at 6500 # with 1429# load capacity. The lowest rated Ram I could find was 8300# in 4WD. 2WD most often has a higher tow rating but I need 4WD. My Tahoe can pull more than 6500# rated for the Frontier. Unless you are correct and your Frontier can out tow a Ram Hemi. If I would have known the Frontier was such a good tow vehicle I might have given it a second look.
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Replying to: boaz47 (Mar 18, 2008 7:18 am) You are correct, it was a misprint. Dodge gets the pass. |
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Replying to: sensai (Mar 18, 2008 7:17 am) But I was responding to an earlier post that the 997T is not competition to the Z06, because it is weaker and heavier. Well we know that's not totally accurate. It is weaker. It is heavier. But it is a toss-up which one will perform better on which track. Where could I be going with this? So to get back to the point of the thread... if the 997T is weaker and heavier than the Z06, yet comparable in performance, can the GT-R be comparable in performance to the 997T and hence be as good a bang/buck car as the Z06? Definitely maybe. I just want to take the wind out of anyone's sails that picks any one car to bolster above all others without good cause. Even if we do get definitive results from a magazine it will probably end up being this type of argument for years: GT-R is best ever? Not really... About the same. Z06 is best ever? Not really... About the same. 997T is best ever? Not really... About the same. GT3 is best ever? Not really... About the same. Viper is best ever? Not really... About the same. Depending on the driver, these are all as near as it makes no difference the same performance level.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Mar 18, 2008 8:00 am) The Z06 and the GT-R will offer pretty much the same perfomance when driven by Joe Blow. The technogeeks will want the GT-R. The V8 fans and Corvettes guys won't ever accept a Japanese V6 as a substitute. Porsche people will be willing to pay an extra $50K for similar performance to the other two cars. Pretty much the only thing up for grabs is the bragging rights as the car magazines' top performance choice. Personally, if I had to spend $70K for a new sports/GT car, I would buy a plain jane 911 with as few options as possible.
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Replying to: lemmer (Mar 18, 2008 9:35 am) As if on que... this was photocopied from a British magazine that, try as I might, I can't find an online link. http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22031 A few good quotes; "That the GT-R is on equal terms with the Z06 is a massive achievement" "To save you from having to check our lap-time table... the GT-R slots in just beneath the Ferrari Enzo..." "Cars that genuinely set new standards are rare, but the GT-R has drawn a new line in the sand." For those that are keeping score: 1) Edmunds tested this car's numbers against the 911 Turbo, the Z06, and the Viper. Result: resounding win for Nissan. 2) Autocar raced this car on a track against the M3 and the GT3. Result: resounding win for Nissan. 3) Evo.co.uk has now tested acceleration against the Z06, handling against the R8, and track time against the GT3. Result: resounding win for Nissan. I'm not saying there's a pattern here... Just thing to consider as we move forward. Lets keep track of all the competitions in magazines that Nissan wins vs. doesn't win. Any more examples? And we can forget about 'physics class' and what we think we know about technology and weight and power vs. speed. This car is an automotive Einstein. It is re-writing all the old equations.
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