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21 messages, Last post on Oct 21, 2008 at 7:08 PM
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Help. I googled my headline and was linked to an old 2005/2006 post on this site. Hoping for an update - especially since the Scion XD is so much more appealing (IMHO) now. I know nothing about cars. My overall goal is to save the most money - period! (Sorry..I don't care as much about the earth - my wallet comes first!) That means upfront costs..gas...insurance...long term repairs. I plan to keep the car a very long time - this is torture. I live in South Florida so no hills and I need to slow down on the highway anyway. Any hints/suggestions/opinions would be appreciated!
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Replying to: mzmowie (Mar 07, 2008 1:24 pm) If your ultimate goal is to save money, get the Scion xD. They are way down in sales right now so you should be able to buy at invoice. Hopefully the brand will be around as long as you want to own the car. Scion is doing very poorly in sales right now. But the cost of a Scion is around $8K less than a Prius. $8K will buy a lot of gas! I hated the Scion xD when I drove it. It has a very high beltline and tiny window in the rear and inside it's as dark as a tomb on a dark night. My wife couldn't figure out where any of the gears were in the Manual and the shifter was like rubbery coal. Of course it's quite cold up here but no other car we drove had those problems. I found the xD had more power than the Fit and was more stable on the highway with enough oomph! to move along as pass ok. We bought a Civic Si and love it but it's a breeze to drive and my wife just loves the car and it's so slick to shift. The xD needs a better manual shifter. our next car will be a super economy model after the summer. I'm holding out with one car now because the new Prius due out in 1-2 years supposedly will get 70mpg! For now, based on what you write, the xD will save you more money over the Prius, unless you drive 50K miles a year!
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 11, 2008 6:34 pm)
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Replying to: jh0400 (Mar 18, 2008 7:57 pm) Google for Scion dealer problems. They are so down in sales that pure pricing doesn't work and they can't sell what they have in stock. Toyota might even drop Scion although no one knows. Pure price works if your sales aren't down 50%.
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 18, 2008 9:38 pm) We also looked at the Prius, and just couldn't make the numbers work. In other words, as efficient as it is, the extra purchase price was not balanced out by the gas mileage, even at $5 per gallon. Read the forums to see what many Prius owners ACTUALLY acheive, and you'll see that 45 mpg is pretty good, but not as big a difference as you might think. Good luck.
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Replying to: danbeau (Mar 19, 2008 4:51 am) Congrats on the new car! So much for pure Price.  We also looked at the Prius, and just couldn't make the numbers work. In other words, as efficient as it is, the extra purchase price was not balanced out by the gas mileage, even at $5 per gallon. Read the forums to see what many Prius owners ACTUALLY achieve, and you'll see that 45 mpg is pretty good, but not as big a difference as you might think. The Prius is a good car that can easily be better with an adjustable seat. It's still not going to get awesome fuel economy unless you are very careful how you drive. I was doing 70mph is a 55 mph area and a Prius blew by me doing at least 80mph!  Somehow I don't think he was getting 45 mpg on the highway.  I crunched the numbers myself using EPA figures and the Corolla and the xD which really is a Yaris 5 door with a different body shows that you'd have to drive a long time to make up the difference in fuel. So if price and fuel are a factor the xD/Corolla type cars win. but for pure outright fuel economy I'd give the prius the edge. I don't know about driving a Prius in the mountains. I think that might hurt the economy just like winter does as the car runs all the time to keep the car warm.
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 19, 2008 10:15 am) Of course a big advantage of the Prius over the xD (literally) is interior space. Resale is pretty darn good too.
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Replying to: danbeau (Mar 19, 2008 10:49 am) Yes I agree, when I test drove one I was impressed that it felt substantial and that it actually had some power for the highway and was better power-wise than the Fit. But the steering was not all that direct and the shifter was so rubbery and vague that my wife actually had so much trouble driving it that we gave it a pass as I had to drive it back the 3 miles to the dealership. Now it they'd put that engine in the Fit with the Fit's shifter that would be a dream economy car! Of course a big advantage of the Prius over the xD (literally) is interior space. Resale is pretty darn good too. Yes the Prius has a good amount of room but the Prius does that that long sloping nose and the windshield sits very far away from the steering wheel. But overall I like both cars but neither model meets my current needs. I'll wait and see how the new Fit is but the Prius is on my list I'd just rather buy the next generation Prius than the current one.
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Replying to: tiff_c (Mar 19, 2008 5:19 pm) Average MPG 39.6! VERY conservative driving, but probably most prius drivers with their eyes glued to the MPG display drive that way too 
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Replying to: danbeau (Mar 24, 2008 3:58 pm) VERY conservative driving, but probably most prius drivers with their eyes glued to the MPG display drive that way too You won't get great fuel economy driving like a wildman anyway. The Scion xD is a good car and one of the cars we are considering for a second car. I love teh power it has versus teh more practical Fit. We dive mostly highways once out of the city and the Fit has trouble merging unless you really gun it. |
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