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24 messages, Last post on Sep 24, 2009 at 8:02 AM
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Replying to: roadburner (Mar 07, 2008 7:13 pm) My nephew bought a 2007 2-door Wrangler and he said it is the best Jeep he has owned. He had owned a 1995 YJ and a 1999 Cherokee. He also owned a Liberty for about three months, but traded it in because the transmission shifted poorly. This probably backs up the uneven QC at Chrysler. |
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| In 1997 I bought a new Jeep cherokee. With less than 200 miles the transfer case went out. It was terrible on fuel mileage also. In 1998 I bought a jeep wrangler that my credit union delivered to me. When they pulled up in it the rear main seal was pouring fluid. (A brand new vehicle.) Needless to say I sent that vehicle back. I thought by now jeep would have fixed whatever problems they may have had. I get ep pricing so I thought I would give them another try. I have all of 93 miles on my new 2008 Wrangler Saraha 4 dr. and already have problems. The transmission is slipping in reverse, the stereo has gone out. This vehicle has absoultey no power. It struggles pulling my boat and for a vehicle that has no power it gets terrible fuel mileage. I haven't had had it long enough to see if the freedom hard top leaks, but what I've read this is a very popular problem. I came out of a Toyota Tacoma that never went back for anything except oil changes. So maybe I expected too much. I would discourage anyone from buying a jeep product. I should have looked into it a lot further than I did. I will get rid of this vehicle as soon as possible and would not recomend this product to anyone. I have learned my lesson. I will never own another jeep product period....... | |
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Replying to: dissapointed3 (Mar 09, 2008 7:53 am) How come you didn't test drive it before you bought it? Seriously. A competent evaluation would reveal that the V6 Wrangler is far from a powerhouse. And one more thing: there's a sticker on the window that lists the EPA mileage estimates.
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Replying to: roadburner (Mar 09, 2008 10:01 am) Jeeps are not perfect. Neither is anybody else. You would think for a a $50k luxury car like my wife drives there'd be no problems. It is one of the most problematic cars I've EVER owned. I drive a 97 TJ - first year they were made. Other than a cracked manifold when I bought it USED and a messed up catalytic converter, the vehicle has had ZERO mechanical issues. I wheel it and I often wheel it hard. So to say Jeep doesn't get it doesn't hold water. Yeah I COMPLETELY agree that there are initial problems that should NOT happen (leaks, etc), but to criticize the vehicle for lack of power AFTER buying it is more like sour grapes. As mentioned, why not do a test drive? Even w/o a boat attached, you can get an idea of low end power (plus finding the power specs on that V6 is not hard to find on the 'net). There is no reason to go into a car purchase unprepared any more. I would HOPE that Jeep would at least read their feedback and offer something with oompf, like a diesel or a V8 in the JK. Perhaps offering it in certain trim levels (like the Rubicon) would be a solution. -Paul |
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Replying to: dissapointed3 (Mar 09, 2008 7:53 am)
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Replying to: garou89 (Mar 23, 2008 8:20 am)  19.1) installed cold air induction system and MagnaFlow low restriction muffler. Performance increased significantly w/ an indicated highway mpg of 24.5. I know, hard to believe (the mpg increase).
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Replying to: mac24 (Mar 05, 2008 8:18 am) I would NEVER go by ANYTHING that Consumer Reports says. Lows: Ride ...Rides just fine for the vehicle it is IMO handling ... Im not cutting corners or running laps at the Nurburgring. It handles just fine on public roads at posted speed limits and wonderful off pavement. braking ... Brakes are just fine. I wouldn't expect an SUV like this to stop on a dime anyway. noise ...I have the soft top on my and wind noise is evident at 50mph+. Not as bad as CR makes it seem. Besides, my Rubicon came with the upgraded audio system so I don't even notice it much. fuel economy ...I have to admit it isn't great. Then again your driving a two ton SUV with the aerodynamics of a chinese food take-out container. It all depends how you drive and how heavy your foot is. Like someone said before, EPA ratings are right on the window sticker so don't be suprised after you take delivery. fit and finish ...Your driving an open top SUV with the best off-roading capability current on the consumer market. Most people, like I, off road these. If you do this with the top off eventually your interior might get a bit dirty due to exposure of the elements(dirt,mud, dust,etc.). Nice thing about the jeep is all you need is a hose & towel for most cleaning. "YES" cloth seats are stain, water, dust resistant and there are even drain plugs under the carpeting. Best thing is that after you leave the car parked for a while in the hot sun, the seats don't get really hot as they would with leather/leatherett or other materials. visibility ... Great visibility IMO. Great view over the hood, windows are near shoulder level, and trucks sit high(especially on Rubicon), so I don't get what they're implying here. frontseat comfort ...Seats are good. Sure, they aren't as comfortable as the lazy boys you find on an Escalade or QX but they do just fine. access ...Don't know what they mean by that. reliability ...I've only had mine for almost a month and a half so I can't really say. Those are my views on the Wrangler. Just a little info about me and my history with cars so you can better understand where Im coming from on most of my opinions and what I'm used to. I work at a large dealership in New Jersey that sells Porsche, Jaguar, & Aston Martin. Next door to the building I work in we also carry other brands like Mercedes Benz, Infiniti, Maybach, & Smart. I drive fast luxury cars on a very regular basis. I've driven so many cars I can't keep count. Just a couple weeks ago I went for a spin in a new 530hp GT2. Yesterday it was a 500HP Cayenne Turbo. Two hours ago it was a XF. I've driven trade-ins that range anywhere from SRT-10 Vipers to 360 Modenas to M5s & Z06s & Maseratis etc. My cars of the past have all been of the sporty type. I've had an '86 Porsche 944(AutoX car), a 2004 Dodge srt-4, and just recently sold me '06 Mitsubishi Evolution IX MR edition. In other words I've driven almost everything out there. I know the difference between a $100,000 500HP Cayenne Turbo & and $33,000 202HP Jeep Wrangler. It is my first SUV and so far I love it. All my past cars that I've owned were fun to drive and this one isn't that different, just a different type of "fun". With my past cars, if I listened to everyone on every car I got and took their advice on why this car isn't good and why that one isn't recommended, I would've seriously regretted not getting them. Before I got my 944 people would tell me that It was a unreliable POS. I never had one problem with it and to date it is still my favorite car i've ever owned and I regret getting rid of it(high insurance cost reasons). Before I got my new SRT-4 people would tell me that it was a POS neon and it would have nothing but problems. It ended up being ANOTHER reliable car which was really fast(modified) and that I also regretted selling. Before I baught my new IX MR I noticed not much bad things was said or written on it. It was a great car with better performance than alot of $100,000+ sports cars on my market. Although other publications like Consumer Reports mentioned how it was an "unconfortable" car and that it wasn't an good every day car. I used it every day and loved it. Cut around traffic really well, got to work fast, had 4 doors, & the AWD meant that with a tire swap it could be driven all year. Sorry for the long post but what I'm trying to say is that you can't really go by everything some of these guys say because in the end most of it is false. It is very easy to badmouth something, it is another to experience it. I'm happy I didn't listen to those like Consumer Reports in the past. Sorry for the rant. |
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I just returned from the Ouray Jamboree and I have a new found respect for my Jeep. Not in it's offroad prowess, that much we knew, but how it handles the road. It was a 1,200 mile trip. My stock 06 Unlimited Rubicon never got below 18, yes that's right, 18 MPG. At one point it was over 22 - but I think that was mostly from coasting down the million dollar highway. To be fair, I never went about 70 on the freeway - even when posted was 75. The seats were supportive, the ride was fine and it actually cornered in the winding mountain highway better than I ever thought possible. I rand down other cars and trucks and even had to pass them - never exceeding posted limits, just so ya' know I was driving it civil. Windshield wipers are useless (thank you RainX). To this point my Jeep was a commuter; never took it on a road trip. Loaded with coolers, tools, luggage, etc.. it did just fine... and with better MPG than my Tahoe. |
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Replying to: woodyman1 (Mar 26, 2008 2:50 pm) |
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starting to negotiate for an 09 wrangler unlimited.....how do I make sure that I am seeing the actual dealers invoice?
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