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Mazda5: No Traction/ Stability Control. Is this an issue?

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#63 of 71 Re: DSC or TC [kivo] by maltb Oct 16, 2008 (12:59 pm)
Replying to: kivo (Oct 16, 2008 10:58 am) Since we are having an anti-DSC rally, I'll give my anecdote:   I was driving my DSC equipped vehicle a few weeks ago and made a planned hot entrance to a turn. Thinking I would have a small amount of oversteer, I began to compensate. At the same time the DSC kicked in and all but halted me in my turn. It did its job and "saved" me from myself. Talk about scary... In the end, it was a letdown and I'm still curious how this particular car slides. The real negative will come when I get back in a car w/o DSC: as I'm careening out of control, I'll be relaxing and waiting for the DSC to really save me. Reminds me a little of Wall-e and BNL. Replies to this message: vg33e power (Oct 16, 2008 1:18 pm) maltb (Oct 17, 2008 2:42 pm) vg33e power (Oct 17, 2008 3:29 pm)
#64 of 71 Re: DSC or TC [maltb] by vg33e power Oct 16, 2008 (1:18 pm)
Replying to: maltb (Oct 16, 2008 12:59 pm) I was driving my DSC equipped vehicle a few weeks ago and made a planned hot entrance to a turn.   Here is the main sentence of your post. ..."you made a planned hot entrance to a turn" meaning that you intentionally wanted to toss what ever vehicle you were driving that has DSC onto a "hot turn", obviously not a MZ5. It kind of goes back to my statement of being liable for your actions. Yes DSC may be nice to have, but on a vehicle such as our MZ5's where its intentions, target, and design were not directly develop to go rally racing down a slope but rather a sporty, small, comfortable and efficient people mover. Perhaps an alternative to a much bigger, unathelitic and bland (may I say the word) mini-van.   So (not intended directly to you maltb) if you want an awesome handling vehicle that includes just about every electronic gizmo out there to make you the race car driver and still at times be able to carry a few people plus gear, then pay the price and step up to a Subaru STI Wagon. Replies to this message: maltb (Oct 17, 2008 2:42 pm) vg33e power (Oct 17, 2008 3:29 pm)
#65 of 71 Re: DSC or TC [vg33e power] by maltb Oct 17, 2008 (2:42 pm)
Replying to: vg33e power (Oct 16, 2008 1:18 pm) There are very few cars out there that come race-ready but that doesn't mean there aren't times when you want to toss around your daily driver. Mostly, the point I made was that DSC took my expectation of normal driving dynamics and threw it out the window, turning my grinning moment into a boring drive.   As far as the MZ5 is concerned, I met a driving instructor who had one and felt, in fact, it was a very capable racer. Replies to this message: vg33e power (Oct 17, 2008 3:29 pm)
#66 of 71 Re: DSC or TC [maltb] by vg33e power Oct 17, 2008 (3:29 pm)
Replying to: maltb (Oct 17, 2008 2:42 pm) Sorry maltb, I think I read your post the wrong way. I agree with what you say though, some of these electronic gizmos just put a damper on the real driving exitement and take control over the vehicle leaving the driver often feeling bored and disconnected (at least for us enthusiasts).
#67 of 71 Re: The Post Tally on DSC [chiefbongo] by darisgin Nov 25, 2008 (12:34 pm)
Replying to: chiefbongo (Aug 11, 2008 12:26 pm) Consider me in the DSC is REQUIRED camp.   It's like seatbelts: once you HAVE a safety feature, you are unwilling to regress. I live in New England and drive an AWD Passat. I was *shocked* that the Mazda5 skipped DSC (heck, I want AWD!), especially since it is available outside the US.   I have wanted a Mazda5 since it came out (it really is a great package), but the wife demands every safety option for the family vehicle; she would CONSIDER foregoing AWD *IF* DSC were available, but it's not, so, so be it: Mazda5 was a non-starter.   Price is not the issue: indeed, we will gladly pay up for Toyota's AWD Sienna, even if that is a bit of overkill. But I, personally, would have LOVED the Mazda (I have long been a fan and sometime owner of their products: RX7, Protege).   Some have noted that Mazda will offer it when a suitable competitor arrives--however, if that competitor is, e.g., the Honda Stream, then they will lose again: whichever reaches our shores first, Honda Stream or DSC Mazda5 (or, heck, Mazdaspeed5 with DSC!) will be that which graces our driveway (unless, of course, we have already filled the opportunity slot with something else).
#68 of 71 Post Tally on ESC by dickthebutcher Nov 25, 2008 (7:48 pm)
Just to make it clear I'm not defending the honor of my "noble steed" (as autoholic put it), I will say I was fully aware our Mazda5 lacked ESC when we decided to buy it.   My feeling -- already articulated by "chiefbongo" and "vq33e power" -- is that there's really no substitute for safe driving, anyway, so it wasn't a necessity. I wasn't going to pay the extra (in purchase price, fuel, etc.) for something larger with ESC, because I simply didn't think it was worth it. I think Mazda should offer ESC as a readily-available option, but I wasn't going to walk away from an otherwise sensible purchase just because of it.
#69 of 71 Not important to me by redberry Nov 26, 2008 (10:12 am)
I haven't bought my MZ5 yet, so nothing to defend. I don't care one whit that it lacks AWD, DSC, or ESC. I know it lacks it - and if it offered it as an extra, I'd probably not opt for it. Put me in the "not necessary" category. I think the 5 offers many other good reasons to choose it, and lack of the aforementioned features doesn't mean the 5 is an unsafe vehicle. It doesn't even mean other vehicles with them are more safe, if all other factors are not equal between compared cars.
#70 of 71 Mazda 5 model 2011 by athenasius Nov 28, 2008 (2:01 pm)
I was talking to one of the sales people and he told me that they are not adding stability control till the 2011 model re-make which of course comes out 2010 sometime. So if you guys want options that are available elsewhere you need to start to but Mazda US which of course controls mazda canada of stuff you want added to it. I personally like the option of tinted glass(not the stick on stuff) which is available now in other countries. Another option which is really cheap to add is the back up camera. The power sliding doors which are available elsewhere now would be handy even though the assist ones are on them now the power open and close is handy. Also the sunroof there is loads of room to make it one that slides within the roof of the car and would give a reasonable opening as compared to the tiny one now.
#71 of 71 Winter tires FTW. by dona83 Apr 07, 2009 (11:22 am)
If it was between spending an extra $500 on VSC or spending $500 on proper winter tires, I would choose proper winter tires. AWD, VSC, ABS, EBD, etc. is not an excuse not to wear winter rubber. Yes that's $500 every three or four years we have to spend but on my Corolla with nothing but EBD, my car was very capable throughout the winter. I've seen SUVs with all four technologies and they would just slide out of control regardless.

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