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Mazda5: No Traction/ Stability Control. Is this an issue?

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#22 of 71 Re: Stability Control [coolmazda5] by maltb Mar 11, 2008 (11:36 am)
Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 11, 2008 11:18 am) I don't get it. The car comes with a spoiler, but doesn't come with DSC. A program manager/committee made a conscious decision to include one and not the other. How is that an assumption if that's the way the car comes? Replies to this message: coolmazda5 (Mar 11, 2008 11:49 am) maltb (Mar 11, 2008 1:02 pm)
#23 of 71 Re: Stability Control [maltb] by coolmazda5 Mar 11, 2008 (11:49 am)
Replying to: maltb (Mar 11, 2008 11:36 am) We are going in circles, you are implying that one substitutes the other. What about if DSC was not included because for some reason it differs with the NHTSA standards in the US and just banned it, like it MAY have shut down the 2nd row Karakuri seat? I can assume safety reasons, but not imply.   No alienation intended here , for sure you know more than I do, I'm just a car owner, but as you said, until we get internal Mazda information and memos we can only assume why, not assure nor imply. Replies to this message: maltb (Mar 11, 2008 1:02 pm)
#24 of 71 Re: Stability Control [coolmazda5] by maltb Mar 11, 2008 (1:02 pm)
Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 11, 2008 11:49 am) I'm just speaking from familiarity with product development.   Also, I never intended to imply that one directly substituted the other. However, with any product, a company has to weigh costs and benefits (value) of any enhancement. I'm sure on something as complex as a car, this list is longer than a roll of TP.
#25 of 71 Stability Control by mbros2k Mar 11, 2008 (2:50 pm)
This thread started with Cydel asking if he should take delivery of a Mazda5 without stability control. Regardless of the realities of market forces, or Mazda's motivations for not offering it, the answer is an emphatic -- NO! I've read over and over that studies are showing a 30 -50% reduction in traffic deaths in cars with stability control. Newsflash...these kinds of numbers are not statistically insignificant. If you don't want to spin out of control or roll-over, then buy it. Geeze, I thought Mazda was the "vroom, vroom" company. If you want us to carve up the roads, then provide a proven technology that saves us from disaster the next time a squirrel gets in our way, or a patch of frozen yogurt. Hell, just buy a CX-7 and forget we ever had this discussion.
#26 of 71 Re: Mazda5: No Traction/ Stability Control. Is this an issue? [cydwel] by autoholic75 Mar 15, 2008 (6:35 am)
Replying to: cydwel (Mar 03, 2008 12:16 pm) For me, I feel dynamic stability control (DSC) is critical in any car competing in todays safety conscious US market, especially for this kind of "family friendly" class of vehicles. I think Mazda may have made a major mistake in deciding not to bring this already developed and deployed system in Europe and Japan -over for us in the US version of the 5. Instead- we get tire pressure monitoring,rain sensing wipers and I-pod connectors?? - great gadgets mind you, but not critical (and soon to be mandated) safety technologies.   Consider this from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety on Stability Control systems: Electronic stability control could prevent nearly one-third of all fatal crashes and reduce rollover risk by as much as 80%; effect is found on single- and multiple-vehicle crashes from http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr061306.html   Personally- I have never taken the time to chime in on a forum before - instead I have always simply used them as a source of good information - and a great way to stay up to date on new models and market trends. However, this topic hit home for me and I simply had to register and then jump in. Great post!   As a casual auto enthusiast who now has a need for the dreaded "family hauler", I was surprised and excited about what I found in the Mazda 5 - even more so after a recent auto show and test drive. I was happy to find a well equipped, smaller version of the Sienna/Odyssey which I had already shopped - especially for my young family. Most important- I wanted better MPG in this world of every rising gas prices. I was all ready to buy -but once I discovered no DSC as an option I was so shocked - it essentially killed the deal. So, after a few emails to Mazda and a fairly typical non committal response on the potential for DSC in the upcoming '09 model - I am now resigned to wait and see.   So for me, I will hold out on my decision until this fall. And for Mazda, they have lost a sure sale- for a possible sale. This, all in a segment that will soon be more crowded... and I am willing to bet, all of these new alternative will have DSC as an available option.
#27 of 71 Dead horse with DSC by coolmazda5 Mar 15, 2008 (7:38 am)
We can beat this dead horse further but FYI cydwel has not logged since March 4th Replies to this message: cydwel (Mar 26, 2008 7:20 am) coolmazda5 (Mar 26, 2008 10:19 am) autoholic75 (Apr 02, 2008 10:55 am) and 6 more...
#28 of 71 I am still here - but not with a Mazda 5 by cydwel Mar 26, 2008 (7:20 am)
Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 15, 2008 7:38 am) Yes - I have not replied since March 4 because on March 8 - I inked a deal on a brand new black Subaru Legacy 2.5i Limited WITH - ta da! - VDC. The Blue Mazda5 GT we had our name on will arrive in Lee's Summit, Missouri next month, and we will not be picking it up all because there was no DSC option and no IIHS/US DOT crash test data. I wish whomever buys the car well. They are getting a very nice car. But ultimately, the lack of a key and soon-to-be-required safety feature killed the deal and Mazda lost a sale. Add to that Subaru's financing and rebate specials, plus the rock-solid reputation for safety and durability, our new car is what it is. We have a 2002 Jetta Wagon we love (it has the turbo - and traction control), but it will not last forever. When it is time for its replacement, the 5 will be at the top of our list, because by then, surely Mazda will have improved the safety features. Thank you one and all for the information and insights your postings provided. All in all this is a great service Edmunds provides. Peace, Cydwel Replies to this message: coolmazda5 (Mar 26, 2008 10:19 am) autoholic75 (Apr 02, 2008 10:55 am) coolmazda5 (Apr 02, 2008 4:53 pm) and 5 more...
#29 of 71 Re: I am still here - but not with a Mazda 5 [cydwel] by coolmazda5 Mar 26, 2008 (10:19 am)
Replying to: cydwel (Mar 26, 2008 7:20 am) Cool stuff, the Legacy is a fine car, I also took a look of it when shopping around for my first Mazda5 and the issue came to the 2nd row hinge doors and 2nd row space for my humongous baby car seats (they have to be installed rear-facing). All is nice and dandy except for the front passenger seat, it needed to be all the way forward and could not be reclined, so for my wife was a big issue to travel like that.   The end of the story on my side:   I respect people needing DSC yet I don't think is that influential for a Mazda5 purchase (overall performance design, rest of safety features are great and IS not an SUV like a CX-7) Drive as if your car does NOT have DSC even if it has it. Good driving skills are not substituted by technology. If you buy a car with DSC but become a careless driver with a false sense of safety, then the feature is useless. Do not wait 1-2 years for a car to have DSC. Yes, you are buying/waiting for extra safety but if that means that your family needs to ride for another 1-2 years on an older car that does not have the safety features of a Mazda5 or similar, then your wait is pointless and your family is still at risk Replies to this message: autoholic75 (Apr 02, 2008 10:55 am) coolmazda5 (Apr 02, 2008 4:53 pm) nahag1 (Apr 03, 2008 11:23 am) and 4 more...
#30 of 71 Re: Stability Control [maltb] by dlavi Mar 28, 2008 (11:54 am)
Replying to: maltb (Mar 11, 2008 9:06 am) I would have considered the Mazda 5 when we bought a car last year if it had stability control. To me stability control is a must.
#31 of 71 Re: Mazda5: No Traction/ Stability Control. Is this an issue? [athenasius] by researchqueen Mar 31, 2008 (10:34 am)
Replying to: athenasius (Mar 05, 2008 7:34 pm) I agree with you (ahtenasius)... the fact that only cars with ESC are even considered for safety awards, plus the fact that the technology has been mandated on all cars sold in the U.S. by 2012, should tell the public something. ESC is considered the biggest potential lifesaver since the seat belt, at least from what I'm reading (Full disclosure: I work for Edmunds.) Is it a big deal that it's not on the MAZDA5? Hell yeah, it is. This is exactly the segment I'm looking at: I need an inxpensive car that has 6 or more seats, so the MAZDA5 and the Kia Rondo are high on my list. I'd probably buy the 5 tomorrow, except for the fact that it lacks ESC. Even in L.A., where the weather is good, it's something I want, because they drive like lunatics here and I want every safety feature possible for my kids. I'm sure I'm not the only one, and so Mazda will lose sales because of it. It just seems so short-sighted. It's too bad: I really like the zoom-zoom! Replies to this message: coolmazda5 (Mar 31, 2008 11:39 am) ohioescbuyer (Jul 07, 2008 9:03 pm) athenasius (Jul 08, 2008 11:09 am)

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