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Mazda5: No Traction/ Stability Control. Is this an issue?

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Mazda by mbros2k
Mar 09, 2008 (2:54 pm)
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Mazda certainly makes some great cars! Stability control will appear on all their cars soon enough anyway, thanks to their own fine engineers, Consumer Reports, the Insurance Institute, the U.S Government and, yeah, guys like me.
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Re: Stability Control [mbros2k] by maltb
Mar 10, 2008 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: mbros2k (Mar 09, 2008 1:45 pm)

Don't forget that satin finish fuel doors (not available for Mazda5) and rear spoilers (standard on Mazda5) sell cars; moreso than DSC. I can agree that this is sad, but it's what keeps the business going.
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Re: Stability Control [maltb] by mrbwa1
Mar 10, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Mar 10, 2008 8:10 am)

Don't forget that satin finish fuel doors (not available for Mazda5) and rear spoilers (standard on Mazda5) sell cars; moreso than DSC. I can agree that this is sad, but it's what keeps the business going.
 
Shouldn't that statement read: " Don't forget that satin finish fuel doors (not available for Mazda5) and rear spoilers make dealers money" ? After all, the dealer-installed options are where the profit is. That's why out dealer was probably willing to sell our 5 at invoice, as they still got like $250 for the auto-dimming mirror.
 
As for stability control, I really think it is a good thing, but don't really see it as a necessity. It sounds like the US is going to mandate it in the not so distant future, so then the argument will be a non-issue.
 
Either way, it seems like it should at least be an option/standard of the GT model and available on the touring and sport, even if it is part of some bundle with an MP3 stereo and moonroof (sport) (isn't that how they alwas package the must have items?)
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Re: Stability Control [maltb] by coolmazda5
Mar 10, 2008 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Mar 10, 2008 8:10 am)

This is a free market, you either buy it or buy something else (even a Rondo with ESC if you want), it is not my money after all. I respect people's requirements about ESC, no problem. I just gave my (solicited) opinion based on the experience of the 2 Mazda5 I own (one for almost 3 years, my 2nd one for almost 3 months).
 
What I disagree is the distorted facts presented in a car forum like this. Many members here claim to be car "experts" and seem to have tons of years in the forums, yet their replies seem completely off the real facts and sometimes based on purely personal feelings rather than informed reality. If you don't like Mazdas just say it, I don't care really, but don't invent BS theories around why they are making money or why not or why they are crap if the facts are not there to back them up.
 
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Re: Stability Control [coolmazda5] by maltb
Mar 10, 2008 (4:30 pm)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 10, 2008 4:24 pm)

Your post says you were replying to me, but the content doesn't seem to be.
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Re: Stability Control [maltb] by coolmazda5
Mar 10, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: maltb (Mar 10, 2008 4:30 pm)

Don't forget that satin finish fuel doors (not available for Mazda5) and rear spoilers (standard on Mazda5) sell cars; moreso than DSC. I can agree that this is sad, but it's what keeps the business going.
 
Yes, the reply also goes to you as well. I have not seen any facts that Mazda made a decision on rear spoilers because DSC does not sell as well as those. And by the way, the rear spoiler is not standard, it is an option for the Sport (with the Popular Package or after-market with the dealer). It is standard however for the Touring and Grand Touring models.
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Re: Stability Control [coolmazda5] by maltb
Mar 11, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 10, 2008 4:39 pm)

I have not seen any facts that Mazda made a decision on rear spoilers because DSC does not sell as well as those.
 
Do you have access to internal documents? Neither do I. But, by the clear fact that the majority of Mazda5s sold in the US have a rear spoiler and none have DSC, the decision is implied.
 
Yes, I understand that that Mazda doesn't offer the spoiler on certain Sport models but that was not the purpose of my post. If DSC was offered, it would likely only apply to the same vehicles equipped with a rear spoiler.
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Re: Stability Control [maltb] by coolmazda5
Mar 11, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: maltb (Mar 11, 2008 9:06 am)

But, by the clear fact that the majority of Mazda5s sold in the US have a rear spoiler and none have DSC, the decision is implied
 
Yes, it is a very clear 1-to-1 implication . I wanted to have HIDs standard on my Sport model but Mazda decided that ABS and all-wheel disc brakes were better than HIDs (the owner does not need to see better as long as he(she) can brake more effectively). Very logic now that I think about it...
 
Assumed should be the word, not implied
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Re: Stability Control [coolmazda5] by maltb
Mar 11, 2008 (11:36 am)
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Replying to: coolmazda5 (Mar 11, 2008 11:18 am)

I don't get it. The car comes with a spoiler, but doesn't come with DSC. A program manager/committee made a conscious decision to include one and not the other. How is that an assumption if that's the way the car comes?
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Re: Stability Control [maltb] by coolmazda5
Mar 11, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: maltb (Mar 11, 2008 11:36 am)

We are going in circles, you are implying that one substitutes the other. What about if DSC was not included because for some reason it differs with the NHTSA standards in the US and just banned it, like it MAY have shut down the 2nd row Karakuri seat? I can assume safety reasons, but not imply.
 
No alienation intended here , for sure you know more than I do, I'm just a car owner, but as you said, until we get internal Mazda information and memos we can only assume why, not assure nor imply.

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