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#277 of 332 Re: civic 08 lemon
Mar 13, 2010 (8:38 pm)
I have 2007 Civic LX and find it very dependable car. Yes, it had the back "lower arm" thingy replaced and some other TSB done on my regular oil changes.
But that is it. Yes, the car is noisy, but that is normal for Honda. But not too noisy. I will be replacing the tires soon, and I will buy quieter tires.
Never heard of the oxigen problem before. And I can not find a reasonable explanation for that. Honestly, I do not even see how this is possible to happen. I am not saying it is not happening, but the car does not produce oxigen, neither deprives the car's cabine of it. So, how can this possibly happen ...
O.K. here is what I am going to do. Since I work with Combustion analyzers that actually measure CO, CO2, and Oxigen, I will drive my Civic with the analizer inside while watching the readings.
My analizer is professional grade (cost approx. $1,000) and it is not sold to the public, so I trust it.
Mar 13, 2010 (8:52 pm)
I just want to add something. Normal O2 level in the air should be 20.9% or rounded to 21%.
However, some cities in the world have recorded O2 levels of 12%. That is very low.
At 7% level of O2, life stops to exist.
#279 of 332 Re: Enviromentalist [civicowner3]
Mar 14, 2010 (5:15 am)
Got a question for you:
Have you had anyone else drive your car and got the same symptoms? As I did a bit of internet research, if nobody else gets the same symptoms as you while driving your car, this means that you may have developed a sensivity to motion/car sickness which may explain why the dealer suggest you drive an automatic transmission with smoother shifting. Were all your previous Hondas standard or auto? How long do you have to drive the car before you start feeling sick? My apoligies if you already verified this and I'm not trying to defend the dealer or Honda, but simply trying to help you find a solution.
#280 of 332 Re: Enviromentalist [jonesbb630]
Mar 14, 2010 (8:15 am)
Now, jones, you must be a man to make such a statement! You have been helpful and nice, I do appreciate.
try and understand that we women, myself included, are intelligent enough to know whether we are getting car sick, or to know if the car is a problem.
my car has been tested to find low oxygen-which spikes high and low when driving-alarms have sounded. Low oxygen causes headaches, dizziness, and nausea.
and yes, I always drive a standard. and, yes, my male neighbour took the car out. he got an earache. Also symptom of low oxygen.
I do understand you are trying to help, but pleae don't assume because we are women, it is all in our head, or, we are sensitive.
I've had to live my life this way, and you can see how difficult it is-it has been 11 months, no car, no solution. If Ii was a man, I would not be in this situation.
the dealer also told me to see the doctor. this is demeaning,and something I resent.
as I say, I do appreciate your help !
#281 of 332 Re: civic 08 lemon [cj7375]
Mar 14, 2010 (8:19 am)
thanks! it has been sugegsted a few times to me that the cabin air filter may be dirty/blocked, causing this problem. It would be hilarious if this was it-the dealer would really be a dummy then. I plan to take the car to can tire tomorrow to change.check filter. It has been 11 months.
i am interested to know the o reading in your civic. I am borrowing my neighbours fit, which does not have the same problem as mine. I have also had an automatic from the dealer way back, which was also ok
#282 of 332 Re: civic 08 lemon [civicowner3]
Mar 14, 2010 (8:45 am)
the point of my post is to say as loudly as I can that my new honda is a problem, and that my dealer and manufacturer have done NOTHING to honor the warranty on my vehicle.
At 11 months and counting, I own a car that can not be driven.
please don't respond to me again.
Well just as I respect your right to make such allegations in an open forum, I also will exercise my right to defend Honda against allegations if they don't align with known scientific information.
There simply is no known way for an automobile to produce higher levels of oxygen than would normally be found in the air around the vehicle.
In theory it's possible for the oxygen to be lower if carbon monoxide produced by the engine was somehow entered into the cabin. I suppose it's also possible that the cabin's oxygen could decline if the cabin was not properly ventilated so that the normal breathing of the cabin's occupants decreased the oxygen and increased the carbon dioxide.
But earlier posts talked of oxygen spikes which are not possible as there would be no source for the extra oxygen. The Honda limited warranty does not cover "too much oxygen" in the cabin.
Just because an illness occurred soon after you drove the vehicle is no guarantee that the vehicle was responsible. There could be a number of physical and/or psychological factors involved which could require the consultation of the appropriate medical personnel to be resolved.
Regardless, if modifications to the car by the dealer have not made the vehicle so that you feel comfortable driving it, then my previous advice remains---you should sell the vehicle. As there is no law that I know of restricting the amount of oxygen in the vehicle, then Honda could not be held liable for high oxygen test results that you might have seen.
So instead of letting the car continue to depreciate, just sell it and get a vehicle that maintains oxygen levels to your satisfaction.
#283 of 332 Re: Enviromentalist [jonesbb630]
Mar 14, 2010 (8:59 am)
forgot to include....the dealer / owner, on the second call I made to him personally-the call in which he hung up in my ear mid sentence, for the second time......
after telling me how he was losing sleep over my car problem.....wish he knew what to do.....
stated that he was unable to lose money by trading in my standard for an automatic-the dealer is a millionaire in the community, who has just donated 1 million to the local Y.
great member of society. when I stated that this my 3rd honda purchase from him, and he would lose my business, he laughed.
The dealer has been rude to me from the start-mechanics, head mechanic, owner.
Way back when, at the start of this, they gave me a loaner car,. When they failed to diagnose my car, they asked for the loaner back. The service manager told me that if the car was not back by noon Sat, that he would file the car as stolen with the police.
how's that for respect? Feels like 1910, not 2010.
they've basically, dismissed my car issue, from the start.
I did mention the brakes failed 2x-literally, there was no brake-like hitting a brick wall. This they blamed on my 'aggressive driving".
In Feb I received a letter from them stating that any further work-this is diagnosis -on my car, would be at their standard hourly rate-car is under warranty, they did not do their job, did not call honda tech line,etc, but now I am supposed to pay for them to not find what is wrong with my car.
All the boys at honda DROVE my car, and when they didn't get a headache, stated there is nothing wrong. Also, when the brakes worked for them, they stated there was no problem.
On the first visit to honda, the service manager told me I would have to get the lease canceled, as they could not find the problem. This translates to
I can not problem solve. I can work on a car if you tell me what to do, but I can't figure out what is wrong with it. welcome to my city.