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#61 of 166 Re: Azera next major revision - when? [tonycd]
Sep 15, 2008 (10:26 am)
I don't know Tonycd, with the sheet metal still being the same going into the 4th model year, it could be coming a little sooner. It would fit with the Hyundai trend. The Sonata was changed in 02, then in '06 and then the '09. With the Sonata looking more like the Azera now, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2010 Azera was the one that got the refresh.
I know this is off topic, but has anyone seen the new Mazda 6? Slick lookin ride!!!
#62 of 166 Re: Suspension and Springs Corrected in 2009 Azera [cbar34]
Sep 15, 2008 (12:10 pm)
I am very pleased with my car except for the wallowing (new 640 shocks on order). Try and find one with a few miles on it and test drive it. Rental cars? Look for roads with dips or rises, railroad tracks, manhole covers, etc. This is where the wallow shows up - may not be a problem anymore. However, Car and Driver noted damper/spring concerns on the Genesis on their backroads drive.
#63 of 166 Tires on the Azera - and performance in snow
Sep 18, 2008 (1:10 pm)
For those dealing with snow and ice during the winter, how are the original tires that come with the 2009 Azera Limited? And what are good all season replacements that would perform well in the snow? (I do much driving in southwest Michigan early in the morning before the winter roads are plowed.)
#64 of 166 Re: Tires on the Azera - and performance in snow [budh]
Sep 19, 2008 (3:09 am)
If the 2009 has the same tires as my 2006 Azera, Michelin Energy MXV, you may not be satisfied with their winter performance.
We live in SE Michigan ( certainly get less snow than you ), and after the first winter on the original tires, which we found to be a bit squirrelly in the snow, replaced them with winter tires - Michelin Alpin. The winter tires are almost as quiet, and ride a bit stiffer, but the confidence they provide on snow and ice is very much worth the tradeoff for us.
We have chrome wheels with the stock tires for summer, and put the Alpins on the stock wheels for winter. This allows us to save on mount/dismount costs twice a year since Discount Tire, where we bought the Alpins, does it for free. We rotate when the tires are changed for winter and summer, so we never pay for rotation either. The winter tires are cheaper than the stock Michelins, so we have also extended the time before the more more expensive stock tires need replacement.
The only rub with this methodology is that you have to keep the car long enough to justify the cost. If you're going to get rid of the car after a couple years, the stock tires will probably be adequate, but definitely not as safe.
#65 of 166 Re: Azera next major revision - when? [allmet33]
Sep 19, 2008 (7:17 pm)
True, Allmet. My answer is based in part on a bit of extrapolation.
James Mateja, the generally worthless auto writer of the Chicago Tribune, usually regurgitates whole what the manufacturers' flacks tell him. (It takes less effort than actual research does.) Here's what he "reported" as an afterthought tacked onto the end of a Hyundai Genesis "review":
"Deitz said Genesis will be joined by an '09 Elantra Touring (wagon) in the first quarter of next year, the '10 Genesis coupe in the spring, an new crossover in the fourth quarter of next year, a new more crossover like Tucson for '10, the next-generation Sonata in the second quarter of '10 as an '11 and the next-generation Accent in early '11 as a '12."
Sounds to me like a comprehensive list of the next couple year's updates. Ain't no Azeras (Azerae?) in there. But you could be right if he left it out just because it's not a major enough revision.
#66 of 166 Getting a 2009 Azera for well under invoice
Sep 19, 2008 (10:09 pm)
In the Sonata forums, there is talk of getting 2009 Sonatas for $1,500 or even $2,000 below invoice, not even counting the $2,000 cash back rebate.
Seeing that a 2009 Azera Limited with no option package (including destination) invoice price is
$26,672 + $725 = $27,397
is it realistic to get a price near $26,000 or possibly even lower?
#67 of 166 Re: Getting a 2009 Azera for well under invoice [budh]
Sep 20, 2008 (5:53 pm)
In this economy and with these gas prices, here's what I'd do:
E-mail every dealer nearby that you'd want to deal with. Tell them exactly what you want on the car, and exactly what that $26,000 includes in terms of title, tax, destination charge, whatever -- with the stipulation that the first one to say Yes gets the sale. I'll bet you somebody bites on it.
#68 of 166 Re: Getting a 2009 Azera for well under invoice [budh]
Sep 22, 2008 (5:59 pm)
"Is it realistic to get a price near $26,000 or possibly even lower?"
The answer is YES, budh, as proved by my own shopping experience earlier today. I have been absent from the Sonata/Azera forum for 2 months now, mainly because I wanted to convince my wife to take a test drive with the 2009 Azera Limited. Prior to going to Towne Hyundai (North NJ) I had a telephone conversation with the salesman who confirmed the following terms:
$2300 off the invoice price
Add registration and processing fee about $450
Add 7% NJ sales tax
Less $1000 rebate
When my wife and I got there (70 miles one way) we were given the deal as promised over the telephone. We did not buy the car right on the spot not because of price dispute but because the bad test driving experience.
I let my wife test drive the car because I know this car is good from this forum. However, the car (having only 10 miles and arrived just last Saturday afternoon) suddenly failed to go despite my wife depressed the gas pedal to the floor. This almost caused the car behind hitting our car because the slow down was so sudden. Fortunately she managed to drive back to the dealership with the help of the salesman on the passenger seat. The salesman repeatedly said sorry, saying this was the first such incident in his 19 years as salesman with the last 18 years as the nation's top Hyundai salesman. We were offered another Azera to test drive but my wife declined, saying she was scared to death. There was one other Azera Limited with navigation and blue tooth but in black color and my wife does not like the color.
The salesman wanted badly to sell us an Azera requesting us to wait for a couple of minutes so that their mechanic could find out what's wrong with the new car. We stayed and stayed until we were so hungry that we had to go to the nearby diner to a late lunch (after 3 p.m.). By the time we finished lunch and were ready to leave the diner there was no call from the salesman. So, I called him as a courtesy before going home. He said he just found out the GROUNDED WIRE (???) on the car was bad and needed to be replaced, and it had to be ordered.
So, that was our shopping experience on the 2009 Azera. To add salt on the wound, the waitress in the diner asked what were we doing and we said car shopping. "Looking for a Honda?", she asked. I said, "Hyundai". She said: "I drive an Acura TL. Don't buy this cheap car." My wife concurred with a big smile. Did anybody out there have the same/similar experience with a brand new Azera before? I still wanted to buy a 2009 Azera if somehow I can convince my wife this was an isolated incident. But she did give me an earful on the long way home. I need your help urgently to save my badly bruised ego.
This was a beautiful 2009 Azera Limited in beige color with the following items:
National base price ($28920)
Blue Tooth ($325)
For a total MSRP of $33070
We could have this car for just a little bit over $30,000 OTD, a saving of more than $5,000 over the MSRP. But it was not to be. What a shame!
#69 of 166 Re: Getting a 2009 Azera for well under invoice [njalan]
Sep 23, 2008 (3:45 am)
Waitress must be getting some great tips......
#70 of 166 Re: Azera vs. TL reliability [njalan]
Sep 23, 2008 (9:08 am)
Per Consumer Reports, the reliability records of the Azera and the TL are very similar: both slightly above average. Also, the TL has reportedly had an ongoing problem (like its Accord cousin) with a chorus of rattles and squeaks, a problem that doesn't seem to have affected the Azera.
Not that it'll help you now, but it appears you just were spectacularly unlucky.