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#132 of 140 Re: New 6spd Azera [allmet33] by cobrazera Jan 12, 2009 (11:10 am)
Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 12, 2009 7:41 am) A good point, but diesels are going to cost more due to their turbochargers, expensive catalysts, etc., and weigh more due to the cast iron required to withstand the combustion pressures. So long as diesel fuel is not much more expensive than gas right now ( probably due largely to decreased demand by commercial trucking ) it would still be a viable option. Problem is, when the economy takes off and demand for diesel fuel increases, look for the price to be way more than gas again - like it was last spring and summer. According to a C&D editorial that I read a while back, our country lacks sufficient refinery capacity for diesel fuel. Over 60% of U.S. refinery output is gasoline, and that ratio can not change in favor of diesel without building new refineries ( BTW, Europe refineries produce over 60% diesel fuel ). Spending billions on new construction is something the major oil companies are reluctant to do - especially considering that overall fuel economy continues to improve and demand will drop. If capacity stays tight, prices stay high, and they make more profit - hence no incentive to invest the money. As far as fuel economy goes, the new Ford Fusion Hybrid has raised the bar with what gasoline power in a midsize sedan can do. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Jan 12, 2009 11:36 am) cobrazera (Jan 13, 2009 4:24 am) allmet33 (Jan 13, 2009 7:47 am)
#133 of 140 Re: New 6spd Azera [cobrazera] by allmet33 Jan 12, 2009 (11:36 am)
Replying to: cobrazera (Jan 12, 2009 11:10 am) How much more? I would think the price would be offset with the savings in fuel. Look at the Jetta TDI...when compared to the regular gas burning 2.0 T's...price increase of maybe $1500-2500 and you jump at least 10 mpg better. Depending on the amount of driving you do, that price difference can quickly be offset in fuel savings. Replies to this message: cobrazera (Jan 13, 2009 4:24 am) allmet33 (Jan 13, 2009 7:47 am)
#134 of 140 Re: New 6spd Azera [allmet33] by cobrazera Jan 13, 2009 (4:24 am)
Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 12, 2009 11:36 am) At 15K miles per year, with the Jetta gas motor getting 25MPG and the diesel getting 35MPG, annual fuel costs are exactly the same with gas at $2.50/gal and diesel at $3.50/gal. Cost for comparable models ( SE and TDI ) shows the TDI to be $3000 more in initial cost, offset somewhat by tax credits on the diesel . Even assuming maintenance to be the same ( IMO, the diesel would cost more ), the diesel is still not a moneysaving proposition unless you're getting your fuel at McDonalds and Waffle house. I rented a diesel Ryder truck to move my mother's household goods from Fla to Michigan a couple years ago and lived with the pluses and minuses of a diesel. It pulled hard up the mountains without a downshift, but refill time was spent with the stinky semis with oily and smelly hands. IMO, hybrid is a better way to go, at least here in the U.S. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Jan 13, 2009 7:47 am)
#135 of 140 Re: New 6spd Azera [cobrazera] by allmet33 Jan 13, 2009 (7:47 am)
Replying to: cobrazera (Jan 13, 2009 4:24 am) You know...IF that were the case, I would agree completely, but in my area...regular gas is $1.76/gal. and diesel is $2.49/gal. So, yes...there would be some savings, but it would take a little longer to recoup the price difference. Using the diesel moving truck as an example is really bad. I say that because most gas staions in the DC Metro area have diesel pumps nestled between the regular gas pumps, so you would be filling up amongst regular cars. You mention the iron used as the metal that can withstand the combustion, that's offset by the huge increase in torque most diesel engines offer...it can easily pull that extra weight around and now they are making them with more horespower and turbo-charging them for more ooomph. I actually like the way the diesel engines are evolving.   Hybrids...really are a joke unless you drive into the city on a daily basis. People kill me when they go out to buy a hybrid only to drive it to the metro station or use for weekend running and it's mostly highwy miles. You do not begin to tap into a hybrid's full capability until you are driving it in stop and go traffic. If you go an compare a non-hybrid model to it's hybrid mate...the highway mileage is pretty much the same, the big difference is the city mileage.
#136 of 140 Clunk???? by budwizer Jan 13, 2009 (9:03 am)
Hello forum members,   I am new to Hyundai, the Azera, and the forum. After finding your forum, I have a question for you. My 09 Azera has a suspension noise (clunking noise) when going over bumps at city driving speeds. Is this normal noise or am I experiencing the dreaded clink some of the earlier models had? At highway speeds the car handles well and is sooooooo quiet. That is why we bought it. Thanks, Bud Replies to this message: gamleged (Jan 13, 2009 1:20 pm) tonycd (Mar 11, 2009 8:40 pm)
#137 of 140 Re: Clunk???? [budwizer] by gamleged Jan 13, 2009 (1:20 pm)
Replying to: budwizer (Jan 13, 2009 9:03 am) Happy reading!   pat, "Hyundai Azera Front End Problems" #1, 5 Oct 2006 4:42 am
#138 of 140 Re: Suspension and Springs Corrected? [snaglepus] by ladylindak Mar 10, 2009 (12:29 pm)
Replying to: snaglepus (Sep 07, 2008 8:19 am) Hi Snaglepus - Thanks for the information - I am going to rush home to check my "born on" date. I bought my car in July 2008 and I think it rides OK - but since I drove a 1999 - 5 speed - Hyundai Tiburon (which I love) for the past 9 years - I'm not used to a "luxury" car - so I might not know the difference. My question is - if people are having "suspension" issues - since the car is under warranty couldn't they just take the car back and have it fixed by the dealer?
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#140 of 140 Re: Clunk???? [budwizer] by tonycd Mar 11, 2009 (8:40 pm)
Replying to: budwizer (Jan 13, 2009 9:03 am) Hi Bud.   Opinions on the suspension issue are not unanimous. Here's the best summary I can offer, along with a bit of advice: Don't assume the most vociferous opinions are necessarily the consensus on what's right for your car.   http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0f43c4/1133

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