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#127 of 166 Re: New 6 speed Azera coming (w/ Hyundai's own tranny) [joe97]
Dec 29, 2008 (5:14 pm)
Boy, buying cars is getting to be like buying computers: If you can wait longer, you'll always get more.
#128 of 166 New 6spd Azera
Jan 09, 2009 (9:25 pm)
Hyundai Azera will get new 6-speed transmission
January 9, 2009 - 3:59 pm ET
LOS ANGELES -- The Hyundai Azera sedan will be the first U.S. vehicle to get the new six-speed automatic transmission developed by Hyundai Motor Co.
The transmission, the first six-speed developed in-house by Hyundai, will be in Azeras with 3.3-liter V-6 engines. The Azera also is available with a 3.8-liter V-6.
Hyundai says the transmission will enable the Azera to get about 20 mpg city/29 highway, compared with 18/26 on the 2009 Azera with a five-speed automatic. The company also says the six-speed enables the Azera to go from 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, compared with 8.0 seconds with the five-speed.
Hyundai is building the transmission in Korea and will start putting it in the Azera this month. It has not priced the Azera with the six-speed transmission. The 2009 Azera with the five-speed retails for $25,695, including shipping.
The redesigned Santa Fe SUV, scheduled to arrive in late 2009 or early 2010, also will get the new transmission.
#129 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [joe97]
Jan 09, 2009 (10:09 pm)
Thanks as always for the scoops, Joe.
Very interesting. Addresses one of the foremost complaints about the Azera.
Next question is, will the Limited still be unavailable with the 3.3? This will mean a lot less if it's only available with the slow-selling stripper model (even though it isn't really very stripped).
#130 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [tonycd]
Jan 10, 2009 (2:20 am)
Next question is, will the Limited still be unavailable with the 3.3? Good question.
We could be seeing the beginning of reducing engine displacements for better fuel economy. With lots of manufacturers going to direct injection, they're able to get comparable HP from smaller engines. Couple that with the limits imposed by torque steer in FWD applications, and we could see displacements dropping.
I just saw the a write up on the new Buick LaCrosse, a car I previously would not have given a second glance at. The car is gorgeous and comes with a direct injection 3.0 ( I would estimate close to 250HP ) as well as the regular 3.6 liter.
#131 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [cobrazera]
Jan 12, 2009 (6:41 am)
Actually Cobrazera...I'm wondering with Hyundai bring a diesel engine option to the Veracruz, will a diesel engine trickle down to the sedans. It would seem the move to make with Volkswagen doing it as well as BMW releasing diesel sedans now as well. Personally, I think it would be a better option than going with smaller displacement, direct-injection engines.
#132 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [allmet33]
Jan 12, 2009 (10:10 am)
A good point, but diesels are going to cost more due to their turbochargers, expensive catalysts, etc., and weigh more due to the cast iron required to withstand the combustion pressures.
So long as diesel fuel is not much more expensive than gas right now ( probably due largely to decreased demand by commercial trucking ) it would still be a viable option. Problem is, when the economy takes off and demand for diesel fuel increases, look for the price to be way more than gas again - like it was last spring and summer.
According to a C&D editorial that I read a while back, our country lacks sufficient refinery capacity for diesel fuel. Over 60% of U.S. refinery output is gasoline, and that ratio can not change in favor of diesel without building new refineries ( BTW, Europe refineries produce over 60% diesel fuel ). Spending billions on new construction is something the major oil companies are reluctant to do - especially considering that overall fuel economy continues to improve and demand will drop. If capacity stays tight, prices stay high, and they make more profit - hence no incentive to invest the money.
As far as fuel economy goes, the new Ford Fusion Hybrid has raised the bar with what gasoline power in a midsize sedan can do.
#133 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [cobrazera]
Jan 12, 2009 (10:36 am)
How much more? I would think the price would be offset with the savings in fuel. Look at the Jetta TDI...when compared to the regular gas burning 2.0 T's...price increase of maybe $1500-2500 and you jump at least 10 mpg better. Depending on the amount of driving you do, that price difference can quickly be offset in fuel savings.
#134 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [allmet33]
Jan 13, 2009 (3:24 am)
At 15K miles per year, with the Jetta gas motor getting 25MPG and the diesel getting 35MPG, annual fuel costs are exactly the same with gas at $2.50/gal and diesel at $3.50/gal. Cost for comparable models ( SE and TDI ) shows the TDI to be $3000 more in initial cost, offset somewhat by tax credits on the diesel .
Even assuming maintenance to be the same ( IMO, the diesel would cost more ), the diesel is still not a moneysaving proposition unless you're getting your fuel at McDonalds and Waffle house.
I rented a diesel Ryder truck to move my mother's household goods from Fla to Michigan a couple years ago and lived with the pluses and minuses of a diesel. It pulled hard up the mountains without a downshift, but refill time was spent with the stinky semis with oily and smelly hands. IMO, hybrid is a better way to go, at least here in the U.S.
#135 of 166 Re: New 6spd Azera [cobrazera]
Jan 13, 2009 (6:47 am)
You know...IF that were the case, I would agree completely, but in my area...regular gas is $1.76/gal. and diesel is $2.49/gal. So, yes...there would be some savings, but it would take a little longer to recoup the price difference. Using the diesel moving truck as an example is really bad. I say that because most gas staions in the DC Metro area have diesel pumps nestled between the regular gas pumps, so you would be filling up amongst regular cars. You mention the iron used as the metal that can withstand the combustion, that's offset by the huge increase in torque most diesel engines offer...it can easily pull that extra weight around and now they are making them with more horespower and turbo-charging them for more ooomph. I actually like the way the diesel engines are evolving.
Hybrids...really are a joke unless you drive into the city on a daily basis. People kill me when they go out to buy a hybrid only to drive it to the metro station or use for weekend running and it's mostly highwy miles. You do not begin to tap into a hybrid's full capability until you are driving it in stop and go traffic. If you go an compare a non-hybrid model to it's hybrid mate...the highway mileage is pretty much the same, the big difference is the city mileage.
Jan 13, 2009 (8:03 am)
Hello forum members,
I am new to Hyundai, the Azera, and the forum. After finding your forum, I have a question for you. My 09 Azera has a suspension noise (clunking noise) when going over bumps at city driving speeds. Is this normal noise or am I experiencing the dreaded clink some of the earlier models had?
At highway speeds the car handles well and is sooooooo quiet. That is why we bought it.