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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

1581 messages,  Last post on May 10, 2010 at 6:35 AM

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#939 of 1581 Re: Chase Freedom Rewards [chelentano] by ateixeira

Dec 16, 2009 (6:43 am)

Replying to: chelentano (Dec 15, 2009 9:23 pm)
Mitsu needs to increase sales 300% to get back to 2002 levels, maybe they should change their marketing strategy:
 
Outlander: the TENTH most reliable compact SUV!
 
That will triple sales.
 
stripped down Subarus at least more reliable!
 
Another myth. The 2.5X Limited is not stripped down at all, it has all the same equipment as the XT Limited. This shows how little you know about the Forester.
 
The only difference is the turbo powertrain, so I guess we have to ask who supplies that turbo that lowers the reliability score?
 
Who supplies the turbo again?

#941 of 1581 Re: ALG Residual Value Awards [chelentano] by ateixeira

Dec 16, 2009 (6:51 am)

Replying to: chelentano (Dec 15, 2009 9:49 pm)
10 year powetrain warranty
 
Will MMNA survive that long? Until 2020?
 
I'm not sure they'll make it to 2012, much less 2020.
 
The parent company will make it, but with sales down 75% you have to wonder how long they will put MMNA on life support.
 
Subaru's powertrain warranty is not 3 years, the auto is not a 3 speed, the Subaru Bucks don't have to be used to buy a car, and the 2.5X Limited is not decontented.

#942 of 1581 Re: Chase Freedom Rewards [ateixeira] by p0926

Dec 16, 2009 (9:48 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 16, 2009 6:43 am)
Who supplies the turbo again?
 
Ouch!
 
And of course you're right, there's no such thing as a stripped down Subaru. Even base models come well equipped. Unless of course your list of must haves includes a leather clad dash and a stereo powerful enough to make a rap star jealous... in which case, you'll be forced to get an Outlander
 
I like how he tries to arbitrarily lower the Forester's reliability ranking by averaging the turbo and non-turbo scores. Never mind that turbos only account for 10% of Forester sales. And speaking of the F-XT's reliability, my 2004 is now 6 years old with 83k miles and guess how much I've spent on repairs (powertrain or otherwise)? Yep, ZERO dollars
 
Have you ever paused to consider which manufacturers offer 10-year warranties and why? It seems to me it's only the ones who have a history of shoddy workmanship that they're trying to overcome
 
-Frank

#943 of 1581 Re: Chase Freedom Rewards [p0926] by ateixeira

Dec 16, 2009 (9:54 am)

Replying to: p0926 (Dec 16, 2009 9:48 am)
Never mind that turbos only account for 10% of Forester sales
 
I'm way ahead of you.
 
Already shot 2 e-mails to SoA asking about the production volume, turbo vs. non-turbo.
 
We both know the sales-weighted average will be well ahead of 10th place.
 
Not to mention the Benz ML is not exactly known for legendary reliability, so all models in this thread exceed his own standards by a wide margin.

#944 of 1581 Re: ALG Residual Value Awards [chelentano] by ateixeira

Dec 17, 2009 (4:50 pm)

Replying to: chelentano (Dec 15, 2009 10:01 pm)
downgraded "symmetrical awd" which after redesign lost LS differential
 
Some models had a viscous LSD to manage traction on the rear axle (better than on the front, but still not on both), but it was replaced with traction/stability control that managed traction on both axles on all models. That was an upgrade, not a downgrade.
 
Let's use Mitsubishi as a source for this one, from their 2006 press release when they intro'd the 2007 Outlander you ended up buying:
 
The traction control portion of ASTC provides a "virtual" limited-slip differential effect by helping to prevent wheel spin during start up and acceleration in slippery conditions. Even if the driver has not selected 4WD Auto or 4WD Lock modes on a 4WD Outlander model, front wheel spin can be controlled under a variety of conditions. Since a mechanical limited-slip differential is not required, weight is reduced.
 
You bought in to that theory because that is where you spent your money.
 
If you thought a mechanical LSD was better, why didn't you buy a 2007 Forester? They had them back then.
 
You chose traction control instead. As did Subaru.

#945 of 1581 Premium Fuel recommended by Mitsu Canada... by ateixeira

Dec 17, 2009 (5:22 pm)

Mitsubishi of Canada is going with a "Premium Unleaded" fuel recommendation:
 
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.ca/Outlander/Specifications.aspx
 
Strange that both the EPA and Mitsu Canada say Premium. Wonder if MMNA will do that also? It's the same 230hp engine. It is not specified on their web site.
 
What does it say behind the fuel door of the 2010s?

#946 of 1581 Re: Premium Fuel recommended by Mitsu Canada... [ateixeira] by fushigi

Dec 17, 2009 (6:04 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Dec 17, 2009 5:22 pm)
What does it say behind the fuel door of the 2010s?
 
You can use regular or premium. As with a lot of modern V6s, the manual states you get more power from premium but it is not required.
 
I'm burning regular. Getting about 22.5MPG according to the OBC. That's in suburban driving as it has yet to see an interstate. I have about 330 miles on it to date. I'm officially past the 300 mile break-in period for the engine.

#947 of 1581 Re: Premium Fuel recommended by Mitsu Canada... [fushigi] by p0926

Dec 17, 2009 (7:14 pm)

Replying to: fushigi (Dec 17, 2009 6:04 pm)
I'm officially past the 300 mile break-in period for the engine.
 
Doesn't Mitsubishi specify a 1,000 mile break-in period? I thought that was the standard for all manufacturers?
 
-Frank

#948 of 1581 Re: Premium Fuel recommended by Mitsu Canada... [p0926] by fushigi

Dec 17, 2009 (8:00 pm)

Replying to: p0926 (Dec 17, 2009 7:14 pm)
The manual says 300. As I only buy a new car every few years, I always take the time to RTFM. And on the Outlander, the main manual is over an inch thick. Then there's a separate 11 chapter manual for the multi-communication system a.k.a. sound + bluetooth + navi etc. And a thin maintenance manual to note the 7500 mile oil changes etc.

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