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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#845 of 1581 Re: November US sales... [p0926]
Dec 01, 2009 (4:10 pm)
Land Rover/Jaguar (combined) outsold them. These US sales levels are not sustainable.
My guess is they just don't want to put $3000 cash back on the hood to move the metal, so noone's buying. One ad I saw had a $1500 incentive, but that doesn't seem to be inticing enough. Consumers know prices were a lot lower last year, and they'll wait.
I actually agree with the strategy to move away from big incentives, but start with the new 2010 model, and clear out the leftovers. Rockville Mitsubishi still has 2007 Outlander brochures in the showroom.
They keep running out of 2010 Forester brochures. Bob says the model on the cover looks exactly like my wife and I want one BADLY but I can't find it!
#846 of 1581 Re: Motor Trend Review [ateixeira]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:01 pm)
Considering that the Outlander GT weighs some 430lbs (!!!!) more than the Forester XT Premium, it's really not surprising that the Forester is faster and displays greater grip limits.
Given that huge weight advantage, I would have expected the XT's performance margins to be bigger though.
#847 of 1581 Re: ZF Friedrichshafen AG [ateixeira]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:23 pm)
>> I don't see how using a premier German supplier is a bad thing.
“premier”… I’ve never said it’s “a bad thing”. I could just say that Audi own “legendary” Quattro suddenly becomes so outdated that they have to buy third a party AWD . Audi lost it's leadership in AWD technology and have to use the same stock AWD as other "premier" car manufacturers.
#848 of 1581 Re: Some Perspective... [ateixeira]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:27 pm)
>>>> I would get S-AWC not so much for off-roading, but for its exceptional handling capabilities.
>> Back down to earth ... let's remember lateral grip was a very modest 0.75g. The X6 M managed 0.91g. Not exactly in the same ballpark.
Skid pad ? There is not so much steering going on and it’s not as much handling test as slalom. Skid pad measures lateral acceleration: road grip and G forces. Besides Car and Driver test registered 0.81G for Outlander better then Forester and closer to that 0.91G number. But the $95K X6M also has twice more expensive sports tires.
>> neither Subaru nor Mitsubishi can cheat the laws of physics.
But Audi could. If they use snow spikes and “premier” German steel wire : --)
#849 of 1581 Re: Motor Trend Review [ateixeira]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:30 pm)
>> Don't shoot the messenger, send feedback to…
Forester XT is definitely much quicker on tests involving acceleration, but what else you would expect, Forester is lighter and it has Mitsubishi turbocharger! This Mitsubishi EVO style turbocharger is one of the best, even BMW buys it.
Otherwise these tests are too close. “Trap speed” 89.0mph vs. 88.7mph ? Common, big deal! Like I’ve said the other test shows better Outlander lateral grip of 0.81g vs. Forester’s - "it managed a whopping 0.78g".
#850 of 1581 Re: Motor Trend Review [p0926]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:42 pm)
>> Yeah but it doesn't have a leather dash
Oh, you did not know... Forester is not suppose to have leather dash. It has plastic dash appropriate to the price. Your GLK plastic dash however is disrespect to Mercedes customers. For $45 grand they deserve more.
GLK was just released but it has already outdated Bluetooth, which is not capable of audio streaming. Shame, even one of new Subaru cars has it.
#851 of 1581 Re: November US sales... [ateixeira]
Dec 01, 2009 (8:58 pm)
>> Subaru was up 24% for the month, up 14% for the year...
We’ve discussed this already a few times. Globally Mitsubishi still sells twice more cars then Subaru. Subaru global sales this year dropped by about 50,000 cars (10%) and company lost this year 3/4 billion dollars. Next year sales projected to drop again 3rd year in a row. At these rates of decline Subaru will not be able to invest in new AWD systems, hybrid/electric technologies, electronics and transmissions, so you’d have to drive your 3-speed Foresters for the next decade. Customers would not care anyway since a "symmetrical AWD" and "boxer" sounds so cool.
>> I also think they need some better marketing. I still think the ramp demonstration idea could turn things around for them.
That’s for sure Mitsu marketing sucks. Subaru marketing is the best in North America.
#852 of 1581 Re: Motor Trend Review [psychogun]
Dec 02, 2009 (8:39 am)
I agree that weight is the culprit, but the GT was supposed to be lighter - no roof rails, aluminum roof panel, etc.
This is a GT, so perhaps they should have done more - delete the 3rd row, bigger brakes, lowered suspension?
EPA says it has up to 139.4 cubic feet of space, but the Forester has 141.1.
Both lose space for the moonroof and that subwoofer takes up another 2.8 cubic feet as well.
#853 of 1581 Re: Some Perspective... [chelentano]
Dec 02, 2009 (8:41 am)
If the slalom incorporates more performance areas than the skidpad, then the Figure 8 incorporate more than the slalom - like braking and acceleration.
Dec 02, 2009 (8:53 am)
“Trap speed” 89.0mph vs. 88.7mph ?
Keep in mind the Forester reached that higher speed in less time - 15.1 seconds rather than 15.8 seconds.
Subaru thanks Mitsu for the TD04 turbo but we still hope the Sports XT gets the same major upgrades that the WRX recently got from IHI, notably this:
That's a VF52, not supplied by Mitsu.