Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#721 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [ateixeira]
Nov 17, 2009 (8:46 pm)
>> Admit it, you did not know about Subaru's diesel engine. Otherwise why did you mention it on your list of things Subaru doesn't offer that Mitsubishi does?
I can’t admit that, because I told you about Subaru first diesel development on this very board over a year ago. This time I did not say that “Subaru doesn't offer” diesel, but I’ve said however that Subaru is “behind in key technologies: AWD, transmission, diesel, hybrid, plug-in electric”.
>> In 2007 Forester did not have ANY navigation - Portables are better anyway
You did not buy portable radio for you Forester : -) We all know that well integrated GPS is more then navigation. It’s touch screen control for car settings, satellite radio, music server, stereo, backup camera, phone book, phone dial pad, etc. And it does not constantly fall off your windshield. : --) But of course if you did not make enough subaru bux, you can get a cheap Nav on eBay.
>> Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors... Subaru had that 7 years sooner.
Nope. You making stuff up again. Outlander got heated mirrors since first generation 7 years ago:
They just were not available temporarily in some markets. But why are you comparing 7 y. old cars? Isn't the 2010 Forester good enough?
#722 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [ateixeira]
Nov 17, 2009 (8:50 pm)
>> 3 things the Outlander's expensive system does not: * frequent updates * 3 choices for traffic, including a free one with no subscription * text-to-speech
How do you know? Did you read a user guide for the 2010 Outlander? Or you are talking again about 2007 Outlander? Once more , in 2007 Forester did not ANY navigation, while Outlander got hard-drive based with music server. Did you actually realize that you comparing Outlander electronics with aftermarket options? Is the Subaru electronics really that bad? I guess it is.
>> All that stuff just lowers your residual and ends up increasing ownership costs disproportionately.
You keep talking about “residuals”, but I don’t care for some “residuals”. I don’t count pennies, I just like to drive nice cars at fair price.
>> That's BMW/Mercedes money. No wonder you defected. Actions speak louder than words.
No defection here. This is not a religion nor political movement for me, and thanks god I am not enslaved by Subaru bux, so I can try a different car every few years. You can’t do that: you are stuck with you Subaru bux and with 4 speed tranny.
#723 of 1581 Re: Mitsubishi Outlander GT [fushigi]
Nov 17, 2009 (9:08 pm)
>> GLK: 3.5L, 268HP = 76.6 HP/L
>> Outlander: 3.0L, 230HP = 76.7 HP/L
Sure, GLK and GT are in different leagues, but it worth mention that the GLK has power liftgate, but GT on the other hand has unique Bluetooth streaming audio, larger 10" subwoofer (vs. 7.8"), 710 watt amplifier vs. 540, and much better handling.
The Outlander GT beats in slalom every CUV except for $95K BMW X6 M.
The results of the Edmunds Inside Line slalom test 6 x 100 ft (mph):
BMW X6 M: 68.6
2010 Outlander GT: 66.2
Mercedes C Class: 65.8
Cayenne Turbo X: 65.2
MB ML63 AMG 64.4
BMW X3: 64.4
07 Outlander XLS: 63.9
BMW X5 M 63.5
Audi Q5: 61.9
RAV4 LTD: 61.6
MB GLK: 61.3
Forester 2.5XT: 60.3
Murano LE: 59.2
MB ML350: 57.5
Lincoln MKX: 57.3
GLK and GT could be comparably equipped. Both have sophisticated AWD with side-to-side torque transfer, but GLK has obviously much better interior and better finish.
#724 of 1581 Re: Mitsubishi Outlander GT [fushigi]
Nov 17, 2009 (9:35 pm)
I decided to try leasing. I replace cars every 2-3 years anyway, so I traded loan payments for lease payments and keep 19K from sold Outlander in my bank. My mileage is also low.
#725 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:41 am)
Don't shoot the messenger, read the article and feel free to disagree with the editor who wrote it.
Yes that was a forecast, but guess what? So was your number - it was a forecast too.
I merely corrected you with updated information.
#726 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:48 am)
If that's the case please explain why you think the Outlander's diesel engine is better than the Forester's diesel engine. That will keep us on topic.
it does not constantly fall off your windshield
Nor does my portable - I use vent mounts. They're very secure and that brings the touch screen much closer than any built-in GPS system.
And maps were never 4 years old.
Seriously, what good is Bluetooth if the POI database (points-of-interest for GPS newbies) is so grossly outdated? And even if an update came for 2009, when it the next one? In 2007 Mitsu gave you maps from 2005, how recent are the new maps?
Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors
You said "nope".
I respond - Yep. Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors.
You criticize me for talking about an older model right after you criticized the Forester for not having Navi on older models. Then you did it again:
in 2007 Forester did not ANY navigation
False - they had it in JDM models.
You can't even play by your own rules. Why is that?
#727 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:51 am)
I am not enslaved by Subaru bux
Neither am I.
I don't consider getting FREE service and accessories being "enslaved".
The fact that you do proves a bias against Subaru.
Nov 18, 2009 (5:04 am)
chelentano keeps bragging about this "MP3 music server" and how it had a massive 30GB capacity, now upped to 40GB.
Want to know the truth?
His never really had 30GB.
Did it have 25 Gigs? Maybe some room for overhead stuff?
20 Gigs, maybe? Leaving room for the Navi maps?
Not even close.
15 Gigs? C'mon now, that's half of his stated capacity.
Still no, sorry.
10 Gigs. I mean, 1/3rd of it?
7.5 Gigs. Seriously, it's gotta have 1/4 of the 30 Gigs he keeps bragging about, doesn't it?
No. Guess how much space you actually have available?
6. 6 out of the 30 Gigs. That's 500% overstating.
Well, it's still an MP3 music server, though, so I'm sure it can copy MP3 files, right?
Nope. Can't do that, either. It only rips CDA files, CD audio.
So if you have iTunes, you have to first burn a CD with a max of 20-21 songs, then take it to the car, and let it rip each CD.
I have not bought a CD in this century, don't know about you.
Fact is, the system isn't nearly as good as he boasts, not even close.
Get an Outback with an 8GB flash drive, which costs about, oh, 10 bucks, and you have more capacity.
2010 models are not out yet, but will get 40GB capacity, but maps may be bigger with 4 years' worth of updates, but you should have somewhere between 6 and 16 Gigs.
That's still about 20 bucks on a flash drive.
#729 of 1581 chelentano vs ateixeira
Nov 18, 2009 (5:28 am)
Just remember guys. My pee-pee is smaller than both of yours combined, so there!!!
(I guess I told both of you!!)
#730 of 1581 Re: chelentano vs ateixeira [comem47]
Nov 18, 2009 (6:34 am)
It does get a little tiring from time to time, doesn't it?
I'm getting to the point where I start skimming the posts if they're just going back and forth with long posts that are debating things I honestly don't care much about. For instance, I don't really care if the '07 Outlander had heated mirrors as I'm looking solely at the '10 model. My '99 Galant has them and while nice it's hardly a gotta-have-it feature to me even though I live in Chicagoland where we get plenty of snow/frost.
ateixeira, re: 40GB HD music server. Mitsu's site says it stores 2000 songs. See Key Features at the site: http://www.mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/outlander/10/index.do?loc=en-us Given the size of MP3 files, say 5MB per, that would work out to about 10GB for music. Not sure what the rest is for; perhaps they're simply being conservative or the 2K songs is a software limitation. Or maybe 30GB HDs are simply no longer available from their OEM (although I'd think 32GB of Flash would be pretty cheap).
Also, the Outlander's nav does now include subscription-free traffic reporting as well as lane guidane (which lots of GPS units have nowadays). Personally, I already have a Magellan portable w/traffic reporting so I don't need built-in nav. FTM my Palm Pre has SprintNav/Telenav GPS which seems to work fine as well although it sucks battery like nobody's business.