Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#719 of 1581 Re: Mitsubishi Outlander GT [fushigi]
Nov 17, 2009 (2:01 pm)
Mitsu's site listed BMW and Subaru. Maybe I didn't scroll to the right enough? Or were you talking about Edmunds?
Any how, Mitsu is certainly ambitious if they list BMW and Acura.
Anyone who wants to spend $33k on a Subie can get an Outback 3.6R Limited with Navi, and that gets a backup cam with trajectory lines (does Outlander have those?), big engine power, and a huge 8" Nav screen that is eye candy. It even takes voice commands. A USB port is standard and will charge and play iPod tunes, too.
Good luck finding one right now, though, 'cause they're on back order.
That system will trickle down to the Forester - but I still say OEM nav is grossly overpriced and not updated often enough.
Subaru is better than most here - the Forester's been out for just over a year and already they offer a map update. I think the Tribeca (out longer) has had 3 updates since 2006.
Still - I live in the DC area near the ICC, and they just opened the first portion. It'll finish only in Jan 2011, opening in phases. Unless your maps are current, those routes will be ignored completely. For me that would be totally useless - even with traffic.
I just upgraded to a new Garmin and I'm still playing with all the gadgets, but my initial impression is that this makes much more sense for about 1/10th the cost (with bluetooth, traffic, text-to-speech, etc.).
Edit: no text-to-speech on the OB's Navi either. Portables win!
#720 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [ateixeira]
Nov 17, 2009 (8:42 pm)
>> It previously projected a $390 million loss.
Japan's Hottest Car Company? The staggering 699 billion yen Subaru net loss is not projected. It’s actual Fiscal Year End results of 2009. The actual Subaru drop in car sales from 616k to 555k this year vs. previous year.
>> Mori has increased Subaru's annual sales forecast by 37,000, to 548,000 vehicles
Note, that they increased “forecast”, not sales, and even forecasted sales will be lower next year.
#721 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [ateixeira]
Nov 17, 2009 (8:46 pm)
>> Admit it, you did not know about Subaru's diesel engine. Otherwise why did you mention it on your list of things Subaru doesn't offer that Mitsubishi does?
I can’t admit that, because I told you about Subaru first diesel development on this very board over a year ago. This time I did not say that “Subaru doesn't offer” diesel, but I’ve said however that Subaru is “behind in key technologies: AWD, transmission, diesel, hybrid, plug-in electric”.
>> In 2007 Forester did not have ANY navigation - Portables are better anyway
You did not buy portable radio for you Forester : -) We all know that well integrated GPS is more then navigation. It’s touch screen control for car settings, satellite radio, music server, stereo, backup camera, phone book, phone dial pad, etc. And it does not constantly fall off your windshield. : --) But of course if you did not make enough subaru bux, you can get a cheap Nav on eBay.
>> Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors... Subaru had that 7 years sooner.
Nope. You making stuff up again. Outlander got heated mirrors since first generation 7 years ago:
They just were not available temporarily in some markets. But why are you comparing 7 y. old cars? Isn't the 2010 Forester good enough?
#722 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [ateixeira]
Nov 17, 2009 (8:50 pm)
>> 3 things the Outlander's expensive system does not: * frequent updates * 3 choices for traffic, including a free one with no subscription * text-to-speech
How do you know? Did you read a user guide for the 2010 Outlander? Or you are talking again about 2007 Outlander? Once more , in 2007 Forester did not ANY navigation, while Outlander got hard-drive based with music server. Did you actually realize that you comparing Outlander electronics with aftermarket options? Is the Subaru electronics really that bad? I guess it is.
>> All that stuff just lowers your residual and ends up increasing ownership costs disproportionately.
You keep talking about “residuals”, but I don’t care for some “residuals”. I don’t count pennies, I just like to drive nice cars at fair price.
>> That's BMW/Mercedes money. No wonder you defected. Actions speak louder than words.
No defection here. This is not a religion nor political movement for me, and thanks god I am not enslaved by Subaru bux, so I can try a different car every few years. You can’t do that: you are stuck with you Subaru bux and with 4 speed tranny.
#723 of 1581 Re: Mitsubishi Outlander GT [fushigi]
Nov 17, 2009 (9:08 pm)
>> GLK: 3.5L, 268HP = 76.6 HP/L
>> Outlander: 3.0L, 230HP = 76.7 HP/L
Sure, GLK and GT are in different leagues, but it worth mention that the GLK has power liftgate, but GT on the other hand has unique Bluetooth streaming audio, larger 10" subwoofer (vs. 7.8"), 710 watt amplifier vs. 540, and much better handling.
The Outlander GT beats in slalom every CUV except for $95K BMW X6 M.
The results of the Edmunds Inside Line slalom test 6 x 100 ft (mph):
BMW X6 M: 68.6
2010 Outlander GT: 66.2
Mercedes C Class: 65.8
Cayenne Turbo X: 65.2
MB ML63 AMG 64.4
BMW X3: 64.4
07 Outlander XLS: 63.9
BMW X5 M 63.5
Audi Q5: 61.9
RAV4 LTD: 61.6
MB GLK: 61.3
Forester 2.5XT: 60.3
Murano LE: 59.2
MB ML350: 57.5
Lincoln MKX: 57.3
GLK and GT could be comparably equipped. Both have sophisticated AWD with side-to-side torque transfer, but GLK has obviously much better interior and better finish.
#724 of 1581 Re: Mitsubishi Outlander GT [fushigi]
Nov 17, 2009 (9:35 pm)
I decided to try leasing. I replace cars every 2-3 years anyway, so I traded loan payments for lease payments and keep 19K from sold Outlander in my bank. My mileage is also low.
#725 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:41 am)
Don't shoot the messenger, read the article and feel free to disagree with the editor who wrote it.
Yes that was a forecast, but guess what? So was your number - it was a forecast too.
I merely corrected you with updated information.
#726 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:48 am)
If that's the case please explain why you think the Outlander's diesel engine is better than the Forester's diesel engine. That will keep us on topic.
it does not constantly fall off your windshield
Nor does my portable - I use vent mounts. They're very secure and that brings the touch screen much closer than any built-in GPS system.
And maps were never 4 years old.
Seriously, what good is Bluetooth if the POI database (points-of-interest for GPS newbies) is so grossly outdated? And even if an update came for 2009, when it the next one? In 2007 Mitsu gave you maps from 2005, how recent are the new maps?
Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors
You said "nope".
I respond - Yep. Your 2007 Outlander did not have heated mirrors.
You criticize me for talking about an older model right after you criticized the Forester for not having Navi on older models. Then you did it again:
in 2007 Forester did not ANY navigation
False - they had it in JDM models.
You can't even play by your own rules. Why is that?
#727 of 1581 Re: Do It Yourself [chelentano]
Nov 18, 2009 (4:51 am)
I am not enslaved by Subaru bux
Neither am I.
I don't consider getting FREE service and accessories being "enslaved".
The fact that you do proves a bias against Subaru.
Nov 18, 2009 (5:04 am)
chelentano keeps bragging about this "MP3 music server" and how it had a massive 30GB capacity, now upped to 40GB.
Want to know the truth?
His never really had 30GB.
Did it have 25 Gigs? Maybe some room for overhead stuff?
20 Gigs, maybe? Leaving room for the Navi maps?
Not even close.
15 Gigs? C'mon now, that's half of his stated capacity.
Still no, sorry.
10 Gigs. I mean, 1/3rd of it?
7.5 Gigs. Seriously, it's gotta have 1/4 of the 30 Gigs he keeps bragging about, doesn't it?
No. Guess how much space you actually have available?
6. 6 out of the 30 Gigs. That's 500% overstating.
Well, it's still an MP3 music server, though, so I'm sure it can copy MP3 files, right?
Nope. Can't do that, either. It only rips CDA files, CD audio.
So if you have iTunes, you have to first burn a CD with a max of 20-21 songs, then take it to the car, and let it rip each CD.
I have not bought a CD in this century, don't know about you.
Fact is, the system isn't nearly as good as he boasts, not even close.
Get an Outback with an 8GB flash drive, which costs about, oh, 10 bucks, and you have more capacity.
2010 models are not out yet, but will get 40GB capacity, but maps may be bigger with 4 years' worth of updates, but you should have somewhere between 6 and 16 Gigs.
That's still about 20 bucks on a flash drive.