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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

804 messages,  Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM

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What is this discussion about? Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Advantages only count when it helps Mitsubishi [chelentano] by ateixeira
Nov 09, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 09, 2009 12:58 pm)

It's a joint venture, and it's not like Chrysler is going to say "we used a Mitsubishi engine" or Hyundai is going to say "we sourced a shared Borg Warner AWD system" or Mitsu will say "we all sourced the CVT from JATCO".
 
Instead each will put their own tag on it, trying to brand it as their own, hiding the origin of those components.
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Re: Advantages only count when it helps Mitsubishi [ateixeira] by chelentano
Nov 09, 2009 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 09, 2009 1:09 pm)

>> It's a joint venture, and it's not like Chrysler is going to say "we used a Mitsubishi engine" or Hyundai is going to say "we sourced a shared Borg Warner AWD system" or Mitsu will say "we all sourced the CVT from JATCO".
 
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Oh, I see, so you don't have any proof. You just made an assumption, but presented this as fact that all 3 cars "are supplied the same AWD system from Borg Warner"! Why would you do that?
 
Do you have at least a link which would confirm that 2007 or 2010 generation of Outlander is a part of a "joint venture" with Chrysler?
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Re: Advantages only count when it helps Mitsubishi [chelentano] by ateixeira
Nov 09, 2009 (1:51 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 09, 2009 1:35 pm)

Joint ventures make sense because economies of scale allow each of the 3 to share costs. They used a Mitsu engine, a Borg Warner AWD system, and a CVT supplied by JATCO. It's cost-efficient.
 
If you'd like to believe something else, that's fine with me.
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Re: Advantages only count when it helps Mitsubishi [ateixeira] by chelentano
Nov 09, 2009 (3:03 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 09, 2009 1:51 pm)

>> Joint ventures make sense because economies of scale allow each of the 3 to share costs. They used a Mitsu engine, a Borg Warner AWD system, and a CVT supplied by JATCO. It's cost-efficient.
 If you'd like to believe something else, that's fine with me.

 
Wow, "Joint ventures make sense", that's good to know. It is also good to know that you don't have any evidence but you "believe" that "Both Outlander and Caliber/Compass are supplied the same AWD system from Borg Warner." But why would you want everybody else to "believe" in that? Hey, be a man and admit that you made it up.
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Hello, hello by tidester HOST
Nov 09, 2009 (11:25 pm)
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You say yes, he says no
He says stop and you say go, go, go
Oh, no!

 
Hey, guys, this bickering is becoming distracting. Can we let it go?
 
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: Hello, hello [tidester] by comem47
Nov 10, 2009 (4:33 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 09, 2009 11:25 pm)

Just like the republicans vs democrats always trying to score one for their side vs doing the people's business, in this case they are not bringing something meaningful to the table, only trying to score points. Meanwhile the country is in meltdown.
 
 
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Re: Hello, hello [tidester] by ateixeira
Nov 10, 2009 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 09, 2009 11:25 pm)

You got it.
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Re: Hello, hello [tidester] by chelentano
Nov 10, 2009 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 09, 2009 11:25 pm)

>> He says stop and you say go, go, go
 
Tidester, are you taking sides and comparing us?
 
Once you've said here "We are comparing vehicles and not people!"
 
Your last comment generated 2 more posts irrelevant to the subject we were discussing, and "he" did not "stop" after all, but instead he made a post irrelevat to the topic.
 
But let's get back to the actual topic. Tidester, do you have anything to say about any relevance of Borg Warner AWD system to the Outlander?
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Re: Hello, hello [chelentano] by tidester HOST
Nov 10, 2009 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 10, 2009 12:41 pm)

Tidester, are you taking sides and comparing us?
 
Absolutely not.
 
Tidester, do you have anything to say about any relevance of Borg Warner AWD system to the Outlander?
 
Only to the extent that the discussion remain friendly, informative and peaceful.
 
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: Hello, hello [tidester] by ateixeira
Nov 11, 2009 (8:36 am)
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Replying to: tidester (Nov 10, 2009 3:57 pm)

Let's stick to those rules, and in some (many?) cases we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
The GEMA alliance meant parts sharing for cost efficiencies. I don't think it would make any sense at all for that joint venture to source 3 different AWD systems, from the same supplier no less, in this case Borg Warner.
 
chelentano says I'm fabricating this, and he's entitled to his opinion. For me this is common sense, call it inference, not fabrication.
 
He's sending me on a fool's errand, to find a source to confirm these are the same, but of course each manufacturer wants to brand their system differently, and Borg Warner would lose money if they don't play along.
 
I'm no fool, so I make the logical deduction that Borg Warner supplies the same system to this alliance's near-identical powertrains. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. I do not need to see a DNA test to identify a duck, though others may and I guess what tidester is saying is I have to respect that, so I will.
 
If he wants to believe that Borg Warner gives Mitsubishi preferential treatment and supplies them with a superior AWD system to use with the same basic 2.4l engine and CVT transmission, then that's fine with me, we can agree to disagree.
 
Cheers.

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