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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
804 messages, Last post on Nov 26, 2009 at 11:55 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 01, 2009 7:58 am) ...Or going from 4-speed auto transmission in 1997 (1st generation of Forester) into 4-speed auto transmission in 2009: 3rd generation. This looks like a mid-model makeover, not quite a new generation. >> I just got my new Consumer Reports, Dec 09, and FWIW the Outlander is not in the top 6 Most Reliable Small SUVs (p. 63). So what, it is still somewhere among top most reliable. It was among top 4 most reliable small SUVs just earlier this year along with RAV4, CR-V and Forester: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/uptospeed/2009/02/consumer-report.html And Mitsu was able to keep the Outlander very reliable in spite of so much more technology used. >> $2,700 is marginal? That's a lot of money... I've got a $2.3K TCO number which is $38 a month over 5 years. I guess for you it's a lot. For me $38/m well worth of: smooth 6-speed transmission w/paddle shifters, sharp handling, SMART Key, keyless ignition, Xenons, LEDs, 18" tires, music server, tri-mode AWD, more cargo volume, skid plates, 3-rd row seats, backup camera, split clamshel rear gate, 650-watt 9-speaker Rockford Fosgate stereo, integrated satellite radio, 6-CD changer, faster hard drive based nav, several more years of warranty, free road side assistance... Forester has none of that. >>You traded in your Outlander and the music went with it. Nope, the Outlander mp3 music server is intended to automatically backup your audio CDs while you listeting them, so you don't have to incert them next time. I obviously kept my audio CDs when I traded my Outlander. >> To me it makes more sense to carry music in an iPod, iPhone, or portable MP3 player or SD card or something, that way it goes with you, and not just while you're driving. Sure, for that reason the 2010 Outlander GT Bluetooth streaming audio capability allows you to stream wirelessly Pandora web radio or your mp3 collection through that nice 710-watt Rockford Fosgate stereo with 10" subwoofer. Imagine, you enter your car with your bluetooth capable mobile device, and you don't have to plugin any cables or adapters: all your music and your phone book available in your car after you turn on ignition! Forester can't do that. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 01, 2009 4:03 pm) So basically you just gave free copies of copyrighted music to the next owner? Does the RIAA know about this? 
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Replying to: baggs32 (Nov 02, 2009 9:28 am) 
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Replying to: baggs32 (Nov 02, 2009 9:28 am) Who knows, may be I did, or may be I did not, I don't recall, or may be my music was not copyrighted, or may be i did not "give music free" but sold it with the car, or may be I erased it, or may be music left in a traded car in it is not considered illegal act in a court of law? Anyway please consult your legal adviser or try to issue a subpoena to find out. >> Does the RIAA know about this? Who knows what they know, try to google their 800 number to find out. All great questions! |
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 01, 2009 4:03 pm) I was just at the Apple store this weekend, and for $2700 I could buy a new iTouch, plus a Macbook Air for me, plus a Macbook Air for my wife, plus a iPod Shuffle for my kid so they can listen to their music. Forester has LEDs lighting up the inside, pretty neat. The sub in the Outlander takes up ~3 cubic feet of trunk space. A better location would be under the seat so it didn't use up that space. The 3rd row isn't safe enough for me to put my children there - the rear headrest basically touches the rear glass. There's no crumple space at all. Half the things you listed the Forester has as well. Forester can't do that. Are you sure? You also claimed it didn't have satellite radio and someone corrected you a short while ago. It sounds like you are just reading the Outlander brochure. Mitsubishi's web site isn't even updated yet. You click on Outlander and it shows you the 2009. The 2010 teaser has scarce info.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 03, 2009 7:43 am) Forester is quicker thanks to Mitsubishi-made turbocharger, but Subaru could not take advantage of turbo wasting quickness on mediocre handling. Slalom speed is pathetic: even lower the Toyota’s. >> The 3rd row isn't safe enough for me to put my children there - the rear headrest basically touches the rear glass. This is speculation. The car passed all safety tests and government approved. >> You also claimed it didn't have satellite radio and someone corrected you a short while ago. I already told you that Forester’s radio is $429 dealer installer accessory plus another $100 for labor: you can buy a laptop for your kid for this amount of money so you don’t have to wait 5 years for TCO saving. Outlander satellite radio is part of factory installed stereo. If we want to play accessories game that’s another story but Outlander would win again. There is multipage catalog available with all kinda of cool stuff such as multicolor custom Xenons, OLED navigation systems, stereo systems, low-mid range radar and collision systems, Bike racks, etc.
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 03, 2009 9:22 pm) The car passed all safety tests and government approved Well, there is no rear crash test for the 3rd row, and when that arrives I bet that 3rd row option vanishes. There is no crumple space at all. Subaru does better overall in crash tests. The Outlander actually does well until you get to the IIHS Roof Strength test, where the Forester earns a better score. Forester has the advantage in safety - it gets the top score in every single test IIHS performs. The shopper above found that the Forester came with Sirius not only pre-installed but also with a free 3 month subscription. If you choose not to believe that, I honestly don't care.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 04, 2009 7:48 am) That was in Canada. It's not a religion for me: no need to "believe" just check the web site.
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Replying to: chelentano (Nov 04, 2009 9:40 pm) OK, let's... iPod and Sirius are indeed available factory installed in the USA. Here are the parts codes, from fitzmall.com: FACTORY INSTALLED OPTIONS (E9B) IPOD INTERFACE D9C and D9D are the Satellite Radio options, you can choose XM or Sirius. Verify at kbb.com. These arrive at the dealer pre-installed. They are available a-la-carte or in options packages (3 ways to get Sirius from the factory), too. The cost you quoted was list, people pay invoice prices for options. On a 3 year lease you get 62% residual, so the cost you quoted (over 400?) was a gross exaggeration. And unlike you said, there is also no labor charge to order those. Actual cost? $129. Less on your 30 month lease. About ~$107 to stay out of trouble with the RIAA. Seems worth it to me.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Nov 05, 2009 3:50 am) Kbb.com does not say that satellite radio is factory installed. Subaru.com shows that it’s optional accessory. I called local Subaru dealer and out of 31 Foresters they have - none have factory installed satellite radio. Salesman says that they don’t get them factory installed, but they can install it for me for $600 with labor! Thanks much, sounds "exciting"! On my Outlander it came with my factory installed stereo and free 6-month subscription. >> On a 3 year lease you get 62% residual, so the cost you quoted (over 400?) was a gross exaggeration. And unlike you said, there is also no labor charge to order those. Actual cost? $129. Right, you would be a better salesman at that dealership 
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