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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 5:25 am) Precisely. Part-time AWD would actually be something I looked down on the Forester if it had. I can adjust the suspension on my Suby so that I can get it to handle in the exact orientation I want. At that point, there would never be a purpose to change near-perfect grip and handling by swapping to a different mode. And believe me, if you felt how effortlessly my car takes ramps and corners, and then got in a FWD car, it is not only noticeable, its dangerous. I have to remind myself when I get into a FWD car that I have to slow way down. I'm not talking about spirited driving, I'm talking how I do not have to brake for even extremely tight corners. It just doesn't occur to me that I have to until I'm in a FWD car. My car practically straightens out roads with a blip of the throttle.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 6:06 am) If I had an Outlander, it's just one flick of a switch, then I'm in 4WD mode. But in conditions that allows for 2WD driving, you don't have that choice with your Forester.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 5:46 am) What year Forester do you own? If I owned a 2009 Forester what choices do I have? You said they were like Lego's, so what's up with the "up to 2008" disclaimer?
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=116747 for the most recent Edmunds test of the '06 RAV4: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=126279 for the Edmunds review of the '09 Forester. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=120390 for the Edmunds initial review of the '07 Outlander. |
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 6:35 am) Because up to 2008, the WRX and FXT needed the STI or equivalent turbo to put down 300+ hp. For 2009, don't bother with compatibility with the STI. The stock turbo is good enough. Just buy aftermarket exhaust, and intake (should you be so inclined). 300hp is yours for less than $1-2K investment and 1 weekend's worth of work. The guy on this video doesn't seem to think that 250hp and 330tq to the wheels is good enough. Mind you 250whp ~ 300bhp. So 300hp at the crank. And nearly 400tq at the engine. Forester should be compatible with WRX turbo, so video is relavent. Stage II |
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 6:32 am) I think Dave (dcm) nailed it when he said this is what turning off AWD equates to. You might as well just save thousands and buy a FWD Outlander and carry low-profile chains for the tires when you really need it. I find it a bit absurd that biscuit says the XT does not feel quick, especially after Edmunds' XT reached 60mph a full 2+ seconds sooner than the V6 Outlander. The XT is absurdly quick, are you kidding? The slowest XT tested is quicker than the quickest Outlander V6 tested. Individual tastes may prefer the boost of a turbo engine, or a linear V6, but there's no doubt which one is quicker. |
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It was a rumor back then, but it's been confirmed since and reported on sites like Automotive News time and time again. Like I said, Google it, you'll get tons of hits. Toyota will indeed use this platform to build their next sports car. |
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 4:45 am) I don't, but some do. The bottom line is that the Outlander owners have the OPTION to do it easily, the Forester owners don't. It’s not a very big deal, just worth noting rather then discarding just because one is a Subaru fan and the Forester does not have this option. In fact most 4-cylinder SUV buyers are looking for fuel economy (why would they buy a 4-cylinder CUV in the first place) so anything that would take them one step further, aside from other common means, should be noted. The Outlander is a boring old small SUV. The Outlander is a 3 years old vehicle and it was fully redesigned at that time - platform, engine, tranny, body, interior, with no major components carried over from the previous models. You cannot really say the same about the 2009 Forester, as its powertrain is only an update of the previous generation. Boring: You can call the Outlander “boring” all you want, but you are in a negligible minority.
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 16, 2008 7:46 am) I am not a 'Subaru fan'. I appreciate many makes and models. I objectively know the benefits of full-time AWD, and the superiority of a turbo-4 to an NA-6. So the Outlander doesn't have anything I would like or even recommend. Actually I think anyone who finds the Outlander exciting is of a negligable minority. Except on this forum. PS. All 5 of my friends with NA Suby's average around 25-27mpg year round. And they all live in urban areas. EPA is useless from my experience. PPS. Also, everyone who has modified their turbo version has reported a 1-3mpg improvement on average. Why? Free-flowing exhaust on a turbo car is helpful in a number of ways.
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 16, 2008 7:28 am) No. There is no benefit from switching off the ABS, and no car does that. Certain systems make sense to be switched off safetly, other don't. You don't switch off the air bags either.  Going with your theory that driving a FWD car is unsafe it means that tens of millions of people are drving unsafe cars. Strange theory. Can you ask these two questions? 1. Is the 2009 Forester's VDC a safety system? 2. Can you switch it off? I find it a bit absurd that biscuit says the XT does not feel quick, especially after Edmunds' XT reached 60mph a full 2+ seconds sooner than the V6 Outlander. Edmunds 2007 Outlander XLS Full-Test Edmunds 2009 Forester XT Full-Test 0-60 mph time difference: 8.2-6.8=1.4 sec. From comparing the handling numbers side by side, it seems like the Outlander is doing better than the Forester. Read "Handling" comments as well. The Forester is doing better in the acceleration and braking. |
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