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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
803 messages, Last post on Nov 25, 2009 at 8:34 AM
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 15, 2008 8:39 pm) You guys are way off base making assumptions about the logic behind the 4AT. The Outlander is a boring old small SUV. Every Subaru (except the Tribeca) are performance vehicles detuned to several different levels. They are like LEGOs, and they all can swap components to become superior even to stock STI level, without a lot of fuss, time, or money. That 4AT in an Outback I was just looking at was putting down 470hp at the crank. None of their manuals can handle that much power, so there is no point for them developing a semi-automatic from them. It has nothing to do with one company being stupid over the other, Subaru just knows they have a niche market, and the computer geeks (me) will be toying with the engine. If they have a robust tranny, thats the important thing. And since they absolutely have to use it on the turbo versions, there is little point developing 2 different ones for the FX and FXT. And don't go off-topic on electric cars. Subaru's been in the news for their e-car just as much as Mitsu. And how are they chasing the past when the Boxer diesel was among the first aluminum block diesels to go mainstream? How is a company that is first in many things behind the times? They're not.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 4:45 am) Please tell me which components I can swap to make the Forester "superior" to the STi, without a lot of "fuss", time, or money. You make it sound I can literally take components out from one Subaru car and bolt it on to the Forester without any modification. I'd love to hear your recommendations.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 4:45 am) But it turns out, Subaru didn't give you that choice, so you actually have NO choice but to drive AWD all the time. While Mitsubishi gave us the choice to switch to 2WD when cruising on the freeway, without stopping, even at speeds of 65mph or above.
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 5:19 am) Actually you try to sound skeptically cynical, but I wouldn't have gone there. It is actually exactly as you say ( up to 2008 ). My brother's Forester has: STI turbo STI intercooler Full turbo-back exhaust That alone got it to 300hp. It took 1 day with myself helping and 1 guy to run the laptop for the open-source tune. All the parts were used off of an STI that it itself had been upgraded, and had no more use for them. The turbo needed the hoses and gaskets swapped, but indeed no further mods necessary to the car. His next step is sway-bars, springs, and tires. Here's the goal. They only sold it in Japan, but its been done. And its easy enough to do yourself. Impreza vs. Forester Enjoy.
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 5:25 am) Precisely. Part-time AWD would actually be something I looked down on the Forester if it had. I can adjust the suspension on my Suby so that I can get it to handle in the exact orientation I want. At that point, there would never be a purpose to change near-perfect grip and handling by swapping to a different mode. And believe me, if you felt how effortlessly my car takes ramps and corners, and then got in a FWD car, it is not only noticeable, its dangerous. I have to remind myself when I get into a FWD car that I have to slow way down. I'm not talking about spirited driving, I'm talking how I do not have to brake for even extremely tight corners. It just doesn't occur to me that I have to until I'm in a FWD car. My car practically straightens out roads with a blip of the throttle.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 6:06 am) If I had an Outlander, it's just one flick of a switch, then I'm in 4WD mode. But in conditions that allows for 2WD driving, you don't have that choice with your Forester.
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 16, 2008 5:46 am) What year Forester do you own? If I owned a 2009 Forester what choices do I have? You said they were like Lego's, so what's up with the "up to 2008" disclaimer?
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=116747 for the most recent Edmunds test of the '06 RAV4: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=126279 for the Edmunds review of the '09 Forester. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/LongTerm/articleId=120390 for the Edmunds initial review of the '07 Outlander. |
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 6:35 am) Because up to 2008, the WRX and FXT needed the STI or equivalent turbo to put down 300+ hp. For 2009, don't bother with compatibility with the STI. The stock turbo is good enough. Just buy aftermarket exhaust, and intake (should you be so inclined). 300hp is yours for less than $1-2K investment and 1 weekend's worth of work. The guy on this video doesn't seem to think that 250hp and 330tq to the wheels is good enough. Mind you 250whp ~ 300bhp. So 300hp at the crank. And nearly 400tq at the engine. Forester should be compatible with WRX turbo, so video is relavent. Stage II |
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Replying to: rcpax (May 16, 2008 6:32 am) I think Dave (dcm) nailed it when he said this is what turning off AWD equates to. You might as well just save thousands and buy a FWD Outlander and carry low-profile chains for the tires when you really need it. I find it a bit absurd that biscuit says the XT does not feel quick, especially after Edmunds' XT reached 60mph a full 2+ seconds sooner than the V6 Outlander. The XT is absurdly quick, are you kidding? The slowest XT tested is quicker than the quickest Outlander V6 tested. Individual tastes may prefer the boost of a turbo engine, or a linear V6, but there's no doubt which one is quicker. |
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