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Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester

851 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 8:58 PM

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What is this discussion about? Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Better according to who? [kdshapiro] by biscuit_xls
May 15, 2008 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 15, 2008 12:39 pm)

Wrong, I'm discussing the Forester, except where noted for a specific model. The issues we've been discussing, in case you missed it, are outside of the realm of a test drive. Skidpad, 0 to 60, AWD inner workings and capabilties, etc. Exactly which item is the test drive going to elucidate. So let's not call the kettle black.
 
No, we were specifically comparing the speed of the 2009 Forester turbo to various vehicles, that's why YOU quoted the optimistic 6.6 second 0-60 time.
 
Go drive them, the Forester 2.5XT has adequate acceleration but it's not "quick" feeling and suffers from an outdated 4-speed automatic.
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [dodo2] by bigmclargehuge
May 15, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 15, 2008 1:35 pm)

The Forester now has shiftable AT. It is not the same one in the 2008 Forester, so I'm not sure how it's 'dated'.
 
Up until now, you had plenty of 'options' in a FXT. Not quite the same on the new Forester. Especially with the lack of MT. But whereas the Outlander is not an SUV version of the EVO. The FXT was most certainly an SUV version of the WRX/STI.
 
I can't for the life of me think of a reason I'd want to turn off the AWD ever. If you want that option, more power to you but it completely lacks a driving advantage.
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Re: Subaru/Toyota sport coupe link [ateixeira] by chelentano
May 15, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 15, 2008 7:55 am)

>>"In a story first provided by Japanese car magazine Best Car, and then passed on via Motor Trend, Autoblog, Motor Authority and others is news (rumor!) that Subaru may provide Toyota with a new Celica."
 
They say it's rumor and you present this as a fact. Shame.
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [ateixeira] by chelentano
May 15, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 15, 2008 7:47 am)

>> In this mode the Subie would be 100% FWD, with 0% power going to the rear axle.
 
"Would be" :--)
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>> And you completely dodged the 100/0 point I proved.
 
You are funny. You "proved" what I’ve been saying all along: 4EAT Subaru is nearly are FWD cars. On April 30 I’ve said:
“The 4-speed auto Subaru practically defaults to FWD with on-demand torque to the rear. Subaru does not offer an official number even in regards to 10%. Why are they so shy? I suspect there is even less then 10%
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.eea4ead/1055
 
Now you proved it! Great! Make sure you carry a fuse in a pocket :--)
Subaru keeps its customers up to date with antique technology. Fuses, 20-year old part-time awd systems, 50-year old transmissions, and finally first diesel engine in 2008: wow! Now they finally try to develop a CVT tranny, which was invented by Leonardo da Vinchi 500 years ago: interesting contrast to the Evo's Twin Clutch SST marvel.
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [bigmclargehuge] by chelentano
May 15, 2008 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 2:31 pm)

>> The Forester now has shiftable AT. It is not the same one in the 2008 Forester, so I'm not sure how it's 'dated'.
 
Shiftable, but it's just electronic add-on, it has no paddle shifters and it's only 4-speed. 4-speed auto tranny is about 50 years old. Sure it is DATED. I drove it with 4 banger engine and performance is terrible. It feels fragile .
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [chelentano] by bigmclargehuge
May 15, 2008 (3:43 pm)
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Replying to: chelentano (May 15, 2008 3:27 pm)

So if it were a 15-speed tranny would it be from the future?
 
And how is a paddle-shifter not an electronic add-on? I'll admit that a semi- automatic would be better, but it is not fragile. Nor is the '4-banger'.
 
Its similar to the engine and transmission setup out of the Legacy. And in turbo guise, its good for 350+hp without breaking.
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [kdshapiro] by rcpax
May 15, 2008 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 15, 2008 12:50 pm)

But Mitsubishis best is not on the Outlander. So what?
 
and so is Subaru's with the Forester, so what's your point?
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [bigmclargehuge] by rcpax
May 15, 2008 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: bigmclargehuge (May 15, 2008 1:05 pm)

I thought that Mitsu essentially said the EVO IX was their last attempt at an all-purpose rally-bred car. And that the X was street-performance only. STI will still be a dirt-devil.
 
Now, again... another hearsay. I hear this and that... blah blah blah... where's the link? You think Mitsubishi retired from rallying and built an Evo for your grandpa (if he still breathes). Look at how the Evo X smoked all the STi's: http://www.serviceparknews.com/?c=129&a=1408
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [blitzkrieg79] by jflor
May 15, 2008 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: blitzkrieg79 (May 15, 2008 1:00 pm)

The STI will obliterate any SH-AWD based system on rallye trails.
 
Obliterate: to wipe out, destroy, demolish, eliminate, eradicate, annihilate, or reduce to nothing. Wow, is STI a car or a WMD?
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Re: FWD Fuse pic [rcpax] by bigmclargehuge
May 15, 2008 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: rcpax (May 15, 2008 3:55 pm)

Here's one of many links hinting at the EVO would be more tarmac than tarpit. Calm down. I've always respected the EVO.
 
"No longer built with the express purpose of winning rallies, Mitsubishi has allowed it to mature, and while its immaculate rally lineage remains central to its core appeal, considerable effort has been expended to make the Evo X greener, more refined and more versatile"
 
I read the same thing in numerous places and assumed they were creating an on-road only suspension. Apparently not so.
 
telegraph.co.uk
 

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