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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 11, 2008 8:09 pm) "Surprise is, when you can get a combination of high power, low gas mileage and low emissions. The Outlander is attempted as balanced power/emissions/milage car. It has smooth regular gasoline V6 engine, which deliver appropriate power, but low emissions and reasonable for full-time AWD milage." What's funny is that the Subaru Forester XT with its turbo seems to do a better job of meeting that sweet combination of high power, low mlieage, and low emissions. It produces higher power and makes more efficient use of it (due in part to the Forester's lower weight). It has better fuel efficiency than the Outlander and meets the same emissions standards (both LEV II with PZEV models available for sale in some states). It looks like Mitsubishi needs to go back to work on its V6.
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Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 12, 2008 5:32 am) For closely the same fuel economy (albeit a bit less power) I'd rather be spending $3.30 a gal than $3.60 (net effect of the turbo being less $fuel efficient in this case). In the example above for a 15 gal fill-up the regular gas car will cost $49.50 to the premium gas car $54.
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Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 12, 2008 5:32 am) This higher torgue of turbo engine gets you a better acceleration, but Forester has lower payload/tow load specs. Exactly the same story with Mazda CX-7 turbo. . >> It produces higher power and makes more efficient use of it (due in part to the Forester's lower weight). The lower weight is one factor in the Forester's decent gas mileage. Another one is 90/10 AWD split: in normal driving conditions Forester is practically a 2WD car. Subaru realized that they could not meet these mileage/emission targets with a full-time 50/50 split, so they had to cut corners to achieve that gas mileage and emission standards. The Outlander on the other hand meets these targets with 60/40 full-time split. And it has much better payload/tow specs.
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 12, 2008 8:35 am)
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Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 12, 2008 8:50 am) It's not only towing, it's regular payload also. We are not driving raodster, we are driving utility vehicle here, so payload is important to many. . >> Also the Forester's torque split is not held to 90:10 and is proactively adjusted as needed. It adjusted only if slippage occurs. Otherwise it's practically a 2WD car. And government EPA testing is done in a lab, so there is no much slipping. . >> Overall, for me, the XT still wins in the powertrain department over the Outlander V6. Right, XT's superior powertrain comes with engine problems, nearly part-tme AWD and antiquated 4-speed Auto.
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 12, 2008 9:25 am) Sorry, it is adjusted in anticipation of slippage in some circumstances. But if you can't accept that fact, I can't help you. And government EPA tasting is done in a lab, so there is no much slipping. I didn't realize that they actually tasted things as part of the tests. Mmmm!  Right, XT's superior powertrain comes with engine problems, nearly part-tme AWD and antiquated 4-speed Auto. The four speed is well matched to its engines. It still delivers the goods that the Outlander's six speed doesn't (higher EPA numbers and better 0-60 numbers). More gears isn't always better and this is a case in point.
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Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 12, 2008 9:57 am) I accept your apologies, and I am glad that now you are saying “some circumstances” which is a progress in a splitting hair process:--) . >> didn't realize that they actually tasted things as part of the tests. Yea, government employees combine it with wine tasting :--) >> The four speed is well matched to its engines. More gears isn't always better and this is a case in point. Nice try for excuse. I wonder why don’t they use a 4-speed tranny on top of the line Mercedes and Lexus? Why do they use a 7 and 8-speed transmission? They are so behind...
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 12, 2008 10:16 am) Nice try for excuse. I wonder why don’t they use a 4-speed tranny on top of the line Mercedes and Lexus? Why do they use a 7 and 8-speed transmission? They are so behind... IYou are making sweeping generalizations. More gears doesn't automatically equal superior performance. The Subaru Forester is a case in which more gears don't provide any benefit beyond bragging rights. |
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Replying to: comem47 (Apr 12, 2008 6:11 am)
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