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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
918 messages, Last post on Dec 08, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Apr 10, 2008 12:44 pm) It was the base model that had the 90/10 split, even then not in 1st, 2nd, or Reverse, it's 50/50 in those cases, and constantly adjusts. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 09, 2008 8:09 pm) http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/112_0806_2009_subaru_forester_xt_quick_- test/
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 10, 2008 5:48 am) Actually Edmunds TMV of $29,414 for the Outlander does not include incentives. Normal street price for Outlander in this configuration is $28,000K which includes incentives. With additional rebates (student, previous Mitsu owner or veteran you can get additional $500 off). But even regardless incentives, MSPR price for Outlander is also lower vs. Forester MSPR. . >> Of course the price will be higher. 2008 Forester XTs are still available, if you wanted to compare same year models. Actually I did a favor to Subaru fans. 2008 Forester is so obsolete - it cannot compete with 2008 Outlander. . >> You also dismiss the extras that the Forester has (how convenient). Like I said these extras are insignificant but if you want to fight for every cup holder, we can add all minor extras, no problem, though Outlander has more extras. . >> The hood struts are very cool, pop the hood and it raises itself. I do my own maintenance and this important to me. The cheap prop rod clip on my Miata has broken twice, a real nuisance. While owning last two cars, I had never opened my hood (my mechanic did), so I don’t care and I don’t even know the difference to tell what kind of “struts” it got. . >> You dismiss SportShift but your chart lists paddle shifters, so it should list the tap shift feature on the Forester. Some prefer them on the steering wheel, others prefer them on the shifter itself. Personal preference. But if the chart lists one, it should list the other, if you want to be fair. Outlander also has Sport Shift. Like I’ve said, the chart does not list features available on both cars in the same way (standard/option). So, for instance, if both cars have Tire Pressure Monitor, or power windows, then we don’t put in this chart, otherwise chart gets too long. But in addition to the Sport Shift, Outlander has paddle shifters, which is listed as a separate feature even on Edmund.com. So I believe it’s perfectly fair. . >> Subaru’s AWD is proactive, it adjust constantly even before there is slip. In fact in 1st and 2nd gears it defaults to 50/50. Only when cruising does it default to 90/10. Yea, so Subaru owner gets quality ride only in 1st and 2nd gear. That’s what I am saying: Forester is practically a part-time AWD. >> How do I know about trailer wiring. See photo below. The harness is there, just plug and play. Well, Edmunds.com says there is no wiring. They do make mistakes, but your photo is taken out of contexts from who know where, and looks like from old car, not 2009. Don’t you have a link from Subaru site or some car site which would say that it has the trailer wiring? . >> let me ask, how does the Outlander's GPS system work? Will it let you enter an address while moving? Most don't. To me this is a deal-killer. If you can't use it while on the go, even when a passenger occupies the seat next to you and can enter it, well, that just stinks. Yes, you can enter, change, and delete destinations while running at any speed. So to my knowledge the Outlander is the only a car in this segment, which has this capability. Besides, the navigation on Outlander is faster due to its hard drive based design. It also equipped with unique for this price category GPS Diamond Lane Guidance system. . >> You mention the Outlander's standard air filtration but the Forester has that too. That's not what I meant, not just filtration. Outlander has air purifier and interior part of the roof is made of special odor absorbing material. . >> According to my Consumer's Guide (not the same as CR, by the way) Auto 2008, the Outlander only has a tilt wheel. The Forester XT's tilts and telescopes. I know, and Forester already got credit for it in the chart. . >> Also according to that same book, heated mirrors and wiper de-icers are standard on the Forester XT. It makes no mention of those on the Outlander, that's why I asked you to make sure, since you own the car and should know. 2008 model of Outie has heated mirrors, but not de-icer. De-icer available on Outie in other then US markets, but we will give Forester a credit for it. . >> The rear seats on the Forester can also recline. They even make a bed with the front seats. Same here. . >> You mention the leather steering wheel and shifter on the Outlander but the Forester has those, too. Yea, but on Forester it’s a dealer installed option, and on the Outie it’s factory standard feature.
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Replying to: h2k2f2 (Apr 11, 2008 1:27 pm) No one could surprise us these days with more horse power and more torque. Mitsubishi, for instance, got spectacular 405 hp out of its Evo 8 MR FQ400, which had only 2 Liter turbocharger! It makes 0-60 in 3.5 sec. Surprise is, when you can get a combination of high power, low gas mileage and low emissions. The Outlander is attempted as balanced power/emissions/milage car. It has smooth regular gasoline V6 engine, which deliver appropriate power, but low emissions and reasonable for full-time AWD milage.
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 11, 2008 7:26 pm) It depends on what incentives you mean. TMV takes into account any current manufacturer-to-dealer incentives for the vehicle. Manufacturer-to-consumer rebates aren't included since they don't affect the actual transaction price. You negotiate your best deal and then you choose whether to get cash back or whether to apply the rebate against the sales price. TMV Just curious, how do you check your oil without raising your hood? 
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 11, 2008 8:19 pm) Edmunds TMV is not quite accurate for Mitsubishi cars. Edmunds TMV is above invoice, but if you read "Prices Paid" forum, everyone gets the Outlander below invoice. $28K below invoice price is possible exactly because of dealer incentives from Mitsubishi, which lack transparency and not publicized. Consumer incentives take price even lower. Most people don't get consumer incentives picking a low financing instead. Additional consumer incentives such as student, veteran or loyalty $500 rebates each are also available. So you can get this car stuffed with technology and 5/10 warranty for quite cheap. I'd say it's the best deal in any car segment. >> Just curious, how do you check your oil without raising your hood? I don't! As I mentioned in my post, my mechanic checks my oil  Why should I? While they change my oil, they do that free 20-point inspection, tire pressure, etc. And if I get a flat tire I have free road side assistance from Mitsubishi. Also if I get low oil level, I'd get the Oil Warning signal on my multi-information display, so no manual oil check is really needed by consumer.
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 11, 2008 8:49 pm) I think TMV is accurate. Remember, it's reporting what people are paying for a car in your area. People who participate on the forums here are more car savvy and informed than the typical buyer, so naturally they tend to beat TMV.
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 11, 2008 9:26 pm) You might be right. >> People who participate on the forums here are more car savvy and informed than the typical buyer, so naturally they tend to beat TMV. So it pays to visit these forums :--)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Apr 10, 2008 5:48 am) Forester got credit for more torque, bigger tank, wiper dicer, sunroof, standard heated seats, and standard leather. Also mentioned shiftable transmission, hood struts, and perforated leather. Hill Assist feature is not added, since this turbo model is not equipped with it. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Apr 11, 2008 9:31 pm) Indeed, it does. tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper |
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