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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
787 messages, Last post on Nov 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 10, 2008 5:20 pm) Wow ... these are real advantages.  "Twin exhaust" - really? Everyone would tell you that those two pipes you see are just a split from the muffler which doesn't do anything other than .. well ... impress some people.
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (May 10, 2008 9:26 pm) It's not the hp advantage it's the torque curve. The XTs torque will come on-line much faster giving it the advantage. Did you ever wonder why the STI can manage a 4.8 sprint to 60 with the same 2.5 liter engine? Or why with an ECU flash it can deliver 430 ft/lbs of torque? I don't think that 6.6 second number is accurate for the US Forester 2.5XT automatic. It felt like around 8 seconds and the horsepower/weight numbers back that up. The torque curve also backs up the 6.6 number. Did you look it up on the internet? How can your butt really tell the difference? Did you actually floor it? I'm not doing your research. Do a web search for: 2009 Forester xt 0 to 60 and see what you get. Do the same search for: 2008 RAV4 V6 0 to 60. Car and Drive got 5.9 to 60 with the 5 speed 2007 XT. click here. With the 5 speed manual coming in 2010 I wouldn't be surprise to see times like this. Notice the RAV4 is nowhere to be found in this list.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 11, 2008 4:46 am) Show me this magical Subaru torque curve. The RAV4 V6 has 246 lb.-ft. of peak torque at 4,700 RPM. You can't take a spec from a completely different vehicle with a completely different transmission and expect the new Forester to be similar. There is only one number for the Forester 2.5XT published on the internet, 6.6 seconds, and after driving the vehicle I don't believe that is an accurate number.
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (May 11, 2008 6:47 am) Have you personally and impartially timed both vehicles at the track? Show me this magical Subaru torque curve. Here ya' go! :shades Click here. I really think people can be less lazy about finding things, instead of expecting people to do their research. You can't take a spec from a completely different vehicle with a completely different transmission and expect the new Forester to be similar. Yes you can, it's the same motor with some tweaks. Not only that in 2010 the V6 RAV4 will be up against the same motor with a manual transmission. Note the 5.3 seconds to 60. There is only one number for the Forester 2.5XT published on the internet, 6.6 seconds, and after driving the vehicle I don't believe that is an accurate number. You can believe what you want, Unless you come up with something more credible, it is what it is. Forester rules!
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 11, 2008 8:14 am) Those dyno charts don't impress me. I see a relatively stock one with 190HP and 218 torque at the wheels, but the curve spikes early and then goes down quickly. Maybe you can tweek it with mods and make more power, but is that what we're comparing? I wasn't. I stand by my bet, a stock RAV4 V6 will smoke a stock 2009 Forester 2.5XT.
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (May 11, 2008 9:28 am) 07 RAV4 V6  6.7 09 Forester XT 6.6 At the finish, the RAV4 driver would see the back of the head of the XT driver while the Outlander would hardly see their tail lights through the swirling dust.
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Replying to: 10years (May 11, 2008 10:17 am) 6.7 It's hard to tell the exact times unless the vehicles are actually tested side-by-side. But the Forester can be slightly faster, to much, much faster. |
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (May 11, 2008 9:28 am) You're on. Those dyno charts don't impress me. 300 lbs torque at the wheels don't impress you? Okay it doesn't have to. You don't even have to believe it, but that won't change the fact the XT is faster and has been faster since 2004.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (May 11, 2008 10:24 am) The RAV4 V6 feels significantly faster than the 2009 Forester 2.5XT. Go drive them and see for yourself, I did.
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (May 11, 2008 11:34 am) Your butt dyno is inaccurate. It's not how it feels, it's how it measures. Even though I'm making a point the XT is easily modable, the stock XT by all accounts has been faster, is faster and will be faster in these two manufacturers configurations. While the host at some point will probably say we are bench racing, not to mention way, way, off-topic, and we are, there is nothing of substance or credibility to indicate the RAV4 V6 stock to stock is faster than any model XT since 2004.
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