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SUVs Mitsubishi Outlander Mitsubishi Outlander vs. Subaru Forester
797 messages, Last post on Nov 23, 2009 at 8:29 AM
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Replying to: ateixeira (May 07, 2008 9:15 am) No. I'm saying exactly the same thing as you do. However, the OP was listing the potential for interior rattles as a negative for the Outlander or an inherent attribute. I was just pointing out that the RAV4 is notorious for interior rattles. People suggesting that buying a Toyota or Honda would mean a better build and no rattles are just uninformed. They do rattle too, they do have defects too, they have bad dealers too and by the numerous owner reports, Honda and Toyota could be rather arrogant with the customers. I just think some of you could be a lot more helpful and do something constructive instead of having a knee-jerk reaction to any and all criticism of the Outlander. Personally I just react to the posts coming from people that don't own, don't know anything about the car, didn't even drive or come near the car, don't know anything about the other cars they proclaim superior, but yet, they bash the Outlander. And the other poor guy with the peeling paint? The paint is not peeling, is chipping, which is a different thing. Oh and I meant few times to point this out to you, in a friendly manner not in the context of the Forester/Outlander debate. If you are getting the Forester, take a close look at the bulging fenders as I have a strong feeling that they may be subject to similar issues, due to the very similar shape of the rocker panel. Try to imagine the trajectory of a stone thrown by the outer edge of the front wheel and see where it would hit. Unless the Forester has a very strong paint (although all cars today have rather soft paints due to environment regulations) , frequent hits may cause paint chips too. They don't occur right away and you may notice them too late. I would keep in the back of my mind the option to get some mud guards from the get go. |
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 11:54 am) I wasn't really complaining about the way you react. It's not hard to guess who I was referring to. I remember some EVOs that had their warranties voided when Mitsubishi employees infiltrated several message boards like these. So when I see people behaving suspiciously like Mitsubishi employees, well...you never know. Whatever we end up with, I will be ordering the factory mudguards, if available. Subaru used to make them standard, nowadays they are an accessory item. Note the photo on the right of this page, how there is unpainted black cladding on many of the lower portions of the Forester, surely that's an attempt to prevent chips by design. I don't have the Outlander catalog here (it's at home), but someone shared a picture of some mud flaps that I felt were too big for a daily driver. The really wide, red ones. I think they had a Mitsubishi logo on them. I still think the Mitsu dealer should re-spray his bumper. How old is the vehicle, less than 2 years?
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I still think the Mitsu dealer should re-spray his bumper. How old is the vehicle, less than 2 years? Does Subaru cover paint damage due to sand, gravel and stone? |
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 11:54 am) I disagree. Toyota and Honda both have a hard earned reputation for reliability and build quality. While no manufacturer is exempt from having the occasional lemon roll off the line, statistically speaking, the chances of that happening with Toyota or Honda is somewhat less than with Mitsubishi or Subaru. -Frank |
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Replying to: p0926 (May 07, 2008 5:22 pm) You are exactly right, Honda and Toyota, while they are not bad brands by any means, are currently raiding on they "hard earned reputation". I had an '89 Honda (Acura) car which was still amazing after 16 years. However, 2000+ vehicles are not the same. I have few friends owning 2001Civics and while the were fine overall, they weren't trouble free. One of them had previously a '97 Civic in which I rode for few months and we were both in agreement that the 2001 was a step behind in terms of build quality and materials. I drove a Camry for few days and while the engine was refined ( I did not like the sedate driving experience), the materials and build quality (misaligned interior/exterior panels and rattles) were only average at the best. Before Outlander came out, for a few months I was contemplating buying the RAV4 V6. I was a bit concerned about dropping this amount of money in a car that could end up with a puddle on the front passenger side, rattles from various sources, throttle lag, get stuck in few inches of snow, etc. Don't trust me - go check it out yourself. Would I buy a Honda or Toyota product? Yes, if they would offer a car for my liking. Would I equally buy a Subaru, Mitsubishi or Mazda product? Yes. In fact I have a 3 year old Mazda3 which was as reliable as a car can be, not to mention the rewarding driving experience. |
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 5:51 pm) I've been in enough models of each to believe there really isn't an issue with either. If you want to believe the internet boards, go right ahead. But I take them with a grain of salt as, I believe only the unsatisfied will yell. With these modesl from Honda and Toyota falling off the dealer lots, I can believe some models will have some problems. However, I did not hear rattles or see misaligned panels. The AWD systems on these vehicles are another matter and I'm not really sold on the on-demand nature of it, but that is a separate discussion. |
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 5:51 pm) I doubt it. Online forums by their very nature tend to distort problems. In fact that's one of my biggest beefs with Edmunds... any old crackpot can start a new topic with the primary intent of bashing a given make and model  Then the unsuspecting visitor drops in to do some research about a vehicle they're thinking about buying and they get cold feet because of all the negative stuff they see posted. Has Honda's and Toyota's quality slipped some? I would agree that yes they have slightly but thye're still the industry standard. Here's an excerpt from Motor Trend's current cute-ute comparison test: "As with all Hondas, everything about the CR-V feels like it's built to tolerances alien to the hands of slapdash humans" So while the other Japanese manufacturers (Misubishi, Mazda, Nissan and Subaru) all have admirable records, IMO, they are still a step (albeit slight) below Honda and Toyota. -Frank
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Replying to: p0926 (May 07, 2008 6:19 pm) While there are a few things that irk me about the Forester, fit or finish aren't either. No doubt the higher end RAV4 or CRV are higher end than the Forester in terms of accutrements. But for what it is, the stuff on the Forester works fine. My only warranty repair necessary or that was needed to date was a broken plastic, rear seat switch flipper downer thingy. |
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Replying to: dodo2 (May 07, 2008 11:54 am) I think that's an urban legend. Just because modern paints don't contain lead and have low VOC, the advances in formulation and application (electroplating, clearcoats, etc.) has more than made up for any perceived advantages of paint from the 50's or 80's. Then there's auto paint getting tested in Japan that's self-healing and will actually fix the odd scratch over a week or so, but I haven't heard much about it lately. Meanwhile, some 3M or Stoneguard film may be worth it to you.
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Replying to: steve_ (May 07, 2008 6:43 pm) IIRC Nissan EX35 has such paint (standard or optional I'm not sure). Could be an urban legend, but I have seen countless posts from owners of many brands, including luxury brands, complaining about the paint chips. Sure, some 3M clear film is your friend .... |
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