Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#1483 of 1581 Re: Found a pic of the backup cam.... [fushigi]
Apr 07, 2010 (6:37 am)
True, CR-V uses a simple rotaty blade coupling, a part-time system meant for use on slippery surfaces only. It disengages above a certain speed, and in steady-state cruising it's basically FWD.
Still, buyers don't seem to care much.
I think the "Sweet Spot" for compact utility pricing is mid 20s, though. Once you cross $30k I would not be looking at compacts, and I bet a lot of other buyers think the same way.
The Outlander streches the "compact" part, but I think it more than steps on the Endeavor's toes. Why the Endeavor doesn't have a 3rd row and the Outlander does is beyond me.
The result is a compact with a mid-size price, and a mid-size that is lacking the 3rd row expected in that class, a double faux pas IMHO.
You mentioned there are 440 Mitsubishi dealers, so that means each dealer sells about 2 Outlanders per month, and even fewer Endeavors. Hence the cob webs and crickets chirping at many dealers.
The Outlander Sport can occupy the compact segment, so I say grow the next Outlander (2012 model) to be a true mid-sizer and phase out the Endeavor completely.
Subaru needs to grow the Tribeca or phase it out as well, which is also selling at a rate that simply isn't sustainable.
#1484 of 1581 Re: apologies [p0926]
Apr 07, 2010 (7:38 am)
Indeed. I was pulled over. Claimed not to know the town or its ordinances, and promised to drive a little more safely. Got away with a gentle slap on the wrist. Of course the handshake and balled-up $20 didn't hurt!
#1485 of 1581 Re: Found a pic of the backup cam.... [ateixeira]
Apr 07, 2010 (11:00 am)
I liked the Endeavor's styling when it first came out but never really got serious about as my wife didn't agree. That said, it's fuel economy isn't good and depending on trim the 3.8L V6 needs either regular or premium gas. When I originally looked IIRC it required premium, period. That engine is probably the Achilles heel, too, since it's still an iron block and actually has less HP (225) than the Outlander though it does have respectable torque (255 lb-ft).
I cross-shopped the Outlander against the Santa Fe, though some would argue the Tucson is more appropriate. But when I looked at the Tucson's cargo area I dismissed it right away. Likewise, the Murano got too expensive ($41K+ with similar equipment to my GT) but the Rogue was too small (didn't look too hard since the wife really dislikes their styling). So I can see the blurred line between compact & midsize.
Personally I think we're just going to have to wake up and accept higher prices. We've been somewhat spoiled the past 15 or so years in that car prices have not risen that much compared to other consumer goods (electronics aside). In fact, for similar or only slightly more money the cars we get today have lots more to offer than those of the mid 90s.
#1486 of 1581 Re: Found a pic of the backup cam.... [fushigi]
Apr 07, 2010 (11:28 am)
I actually test drove an Endeavor, way back when.
That engine is torquey. Plus it sits very low in the engine bay, like Subaru boxers do, for a low center of gravity. Nice packaging.
The center console, OTOH, is a train wreck. It looks like a giant Ghetto Blaster from the 1980s.
Edit: photo added, plus I actually like those contrasting seats.
The higher prices/content may work in Mitsubishi's favor if the economy picks up and more people seek that sort of stuff.
If we see a double-dip recession like many are predicting, they could be in trouble.
#1487 of 1581 Dude, I'd totally rock that!
Apr 07, 2010 (11:30 am)
#1489 of 1581 Re: Dude, I'd totally rock that! [ateixeira]
Apr 07, 2010 (12:33 pm)
I went to school when boxes like that were HOT. Of course, sandwich bags with "oregano" were also hot.
Apr 07, 2010 (12:37 pm)
My wife actually likes the Murano. But where you gain (questionable) style, you really loose utility and visibility. You end up buying more car and engine than you need, to get the same passenger and cargo space.
#1491 of 1581 Re: curvy cars [authurdent]
Apr 07, 2010 (12:44 pm)
Consumer Reports said the Murano's max cargo box is just 31.0 cubic feet.
That's well behind even most compacts, including both the Forester (35.5) and the Outlander (33.5).
Ridiculously small for a mid-sizer. Rogue offers a pathetic 24.5 cubes, the Infiniti EX even less at 24.0. The FX is not much better: 25.5.
Curvy bods KILL utility.
#1492 of 1581 Re: Found a pic of the backup cam.... [ateixeira]
Apr 08, 2010 (3:52 am)
If you check out the Mitsu site you'll see the Endeavor console is more appealing from a color standpoint but the same basic shape & layout remains.
And the second row doesn't fold flat, which you may recall was a deal-killer for me.