Last post on May 10, 2010 at 5:35 AM
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Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Car Comparisons, SUV
#1332 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [authurdent]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Mar 16, 2010 (9:33 pm)
Where our 2009 Outlander XLS was quick & snappy, another 2010 Outlander XLS felt like a slug.
Maybe it was due to the adaptive transmission that hadn't learned your "snappy" driving style. If the car you demo'd had been driven by a lot of people, the transmission learning may have gotten a bit foggy trying to find a mean.
#1333 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [ateixeira]
Mar 18, 2010 (9:52 am)
To be fair, I've never driven a Subaru. My indifference towards the make comes more from being a passenger and not liking the ride or space. And unfortunately, there are quite a few people I wouldn't consider friends who happen to own Subarus (its like not wanting to name your kid after someone you didn't like in grade school).
Anyway, more recent experiences sitting in 2010 Foresters and Outbacks have me preferring the latter for comfort, looks and utility. For the record, here are my counter-counter points
- we have a 2009 Outlander V6, so can still pump regular, although, for no good reason I choose 89 octane. As a leftover year, we got a better loyalty incentive. After 2 good Mitsu products, we keep coming back for more.
- my immediate and extended family are all short, so headroom is rarely a factor, although interestingly, I prefer to have my driver fore-aft position set furthest back
- not too worried about MMNA disappearing, since they sell quite well beyond the States, and Mitsubishi is a much broader/diverse company than just cars (like Fuji Heavy)
Not knocking Subes. I really don't see that either make is comparatively far off for performance and safety. Its just preference, born out of experience and loyalty. Who knows, someday I might just have to DRIVE a Subaru, so I have some idea what I'm talking about!
#1334 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [steve_]
Mar 18, 2010 (9:58 am)
Maybe it was due to the adaptive transmission that hadn't learned your "snappy" driving style.
Maybe I should have taught that new dog some new tricks! There were other sounds and feelings coming from the 2010 XLS we didn't like. Plus the new front end was a little too aggressive for me. I like the softer, gentler looks of the old model.
#1335 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [authurdent]
Mar 18, 2010 (10:02 am)
As I've said before, the Outlander's V6 recommends premium; it does not require it. I think I've done one tank of premium and have been doing regular or mid-grade the rest of the time. I haven't noticed any difference so far in either power or economy. While I'm sure there's a power difference, it's not in the rev band I use for daily driving.
BTW, regarding the nav screen not being centered over the HVAC controls, I was wrong; it's true the controls go slightly towards the driver. But it took this being pointed out and me climbing in to the second row seats for me to notice it. Not a big deal at all.
In fact, with it normally set on full-auto on a daily basis I don't touch those controls at all.
Oh, I got my JD Power survey yesterday & will be completing it tonight.
#1336 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [authurdent]
Mar 18, 2010 (10:44 am)
Outback is nice, no doubt. Subaru can't make enough of them. They have a shortage of the loaded ones especially.
A couple of new Forester owners on Edmunds were shopping for Outbacks, but got a Forester because that's all that was available. One special ordered an Outback way back in December, but it had not come in yet, and the dealer could not promise a delivery date, so he got an F-XT.
Earlier I was talking about an aging Galant hurting Mitsu sales, the case here is the opposite - a popular Outback is helping the Forester.
Mitsubishi won't go away, but I think MMNA may reorganize and end up selling PSA cars if they buy a stake in Mitsubishi Motors. Check out the concept photo above, and that may not be a bad thing.
#1337 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [fushigi]
Mar 18, 2010 (10:49 am)
The asymmetry is small, and you may not even have noticed had I not pointed it out. Sorry 'bout that.
Then again, you've got me curious, so I'll take a level to my Forester's cargo area to see if it really does incline back significantly.
I'm guessing it's close enough to level that a tennis ball will not roll back.
#1339 of 1581 Re: Units can vary [ateixeira]
Mar 18, 2010 (1:45 pm)
You know, if it took doing a rebadge to get a better Galant in the US I'd be all for it. Nothing wrong with it as long as the product being sold is well-made and competitive. Though I'm not sure if I could call a PSA well-built; euro cars aren't really known for that for the most part.
Outlander Sport will be interesting when it comes out. Could be good competition for the Rogue & Tucson.
I don't mind the HVAC not being 100% centered under the nav screen; the controls are canted towards the driver a smidge and if you need to turn on the defrost or do other quick changes to the controls, the driver will be the one to make them so it makes sense. Leaving the nav centered works well since my wife, as the front passenger, does most of the fiddling with the nav/stereo.
As to the level cargo area in the Forester I probably would never of noticed it if we weren't inside at the auto show. I don't usually consider outside areas level, including garage floors.
#1340 of 1581 Re: 2010 JD Powers Vehicle Dependability Study [ateixeira]
Mar 18, 2010 (2:25 pm)
Yikes, no Mitsu on the JD lists. Looks like I better trade!